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CASINO ROYALE -- Reactions

#1 Post by AndyDursin »

Just got back. Overall I would watch it again in a second over any of the Brosnans, but at the same time there were some problems. A mixed bag but generally positive for me.

Quick thoughts:

-Ironically the Bond this reminded me most of was LICENCE TO KILL, surprisingly, in that it seemed like it was going out of its way to part with traditional 007 elements. Easily the bloodiest Bond ever with the highest body count and an endless torture scene...leading me, again, to draw a connection with the 2nd Dalton film, though even that wasn't nearly as violent as this.

-Craig is terrific, cool and even sensitive in the shower scene with Eva Green; imagine Roger Moore or Lazenby trying to pull that off? No complaints from me with the casting, he seems like he's bringing the best of Dalton and Connery together.

-Needed to be a bit lighter; this is a very, very serious film with little humor (LICENCE TO KILL anyone?), but I think Craig could pull that off equally from the one or two moments when he's able to do that here.

-The pre-credits was okay, but the immediate post-credits chase sequence was tremendously well-done in an old fashioned Bond manner.

-Very, very odd and not entirely successful pacing; the last third of the movie in particular moves in fits and starts, almost like a Peter Jackson film :shock: It could have been an issue with the movie's structure -- the last portion is just messy and not altogether satisfying, with several endings that you just know AREN'T the real ending...in fact I wasn't even sure the last scene was the ending until the credits rolled! Just not a whole lot of cohesion there.

-Easily Arnold's most satisfying Bond score and I really liked the song AND its usage in the film...a soothing love theme and a kick-ass Bond theme rendition to close out the movie make this a "bullseye" as Doug Fake would say ;)

-Eva Green was okay, the villain was okay...I just thought both were...just okay. Other than Craig's performance there really isn't a whole lot to take away from this -- she's pretty good but hardly memorable, and the bad guy (I'm lazy, I know, but I don't feel like looking up his name! lol) is just about average. I doubt anyone will remember them the next day if that makes any sense.

-Overall, I liked the approach, thought Craig was great, LOVED the locations, enjoyed several sequences, but wished the script (and the last third in the particular) had held up its end of the bargain. It'll be interesting to see if this very serious, even glum Bond film appeals to the masses the way the effects-heavy and hard-to-take-serious Brosnans did....but I really think if they keep up the "old school" approach but lighten it JUST A LITTLE, they'll be in fantastic shape for the next one.

Three stars (out of four). Not great but the best Bond since the Dalton era, no doubt.

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#2 Post by Eric Paddon »

I have to admit if it's most like "Licence To Kill" that for me is reason to pass until it's on DVD, since I absolutely disliked that movie above all other Bond movies (and that includes the first Casino Royale). I always found Brosnan far better than Dalton and a move back in that direction is for me, more of a step backward in terms of good entertainment.

I also don't understand the need to keep Judi Dench if the idea is to "reboot" the franchise. The way you do that is clean house all around and have M be like the original M once again.

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Eric Paddon wrote:I have to admit if it's most like "Licence To Kill" that for me is reason to pass until it's on DVD, since I absolutely disliked that movie above all other Bond movies (and that includes the first Casino Royale). I always found Brosnan far better than Dalton and a move back in that direction is for me, more of a step backward in terms of good entertainment.

I also don't understand the need to keep Judi Dench if the idea is to "reboot" the franchise. The way you do that is clean house all around and have M be like the original M once again.
Eric, agreed on Judi Dench, I've been saying that from the beginning. It's unfortunate they also didn't clean house of Purvis & Wade (the writers) and Daniel Kleinnman, whose opening title sequence is his worst yet.

I make a comparison between this and LICENCE TO KILL mainly through the amount of violence/torture and lack of humor. That film departed from formula and this movie does in a major, major way as well, and a lot of it DOES work...just not all of it.

I think the next time around they'll fine tune it so it's not quite as uncompromisingly grim -- unless they have a mega huge opening (which they might) I can't see this particular movie doing anywhere near the big numbers of the Brosnans, though I guess they're anticipating that.

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I actually thought there was goodish amount of humor in the film. Not in the schticky nudge-nudge, wink-wink one-liners of Bonds past, but the audience seemed very pleased with the film. Agreed that the film is exceptionally brutal, but that's exactly what I wanted from this film, no more Brosnan nancy-boy posturing, no lame sexual puns, no Halle Berry or Denise Richards (I will never forgive Andy's *** rating for Die Another Day :wink: ), just back-to-basics action and suspense with no crummy CGI windsurfing. Craig now owns 007, and I hope he'll get a long run out of the character (and doesn't he remind anyone of Steve McQueen?). Truly an excellent Bond film, the best since OHMSS.

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Haha. Yeah I need to re-assess DIE a little bit -- it was fun and I do believe it holds up well for 2/3 of the way before it crashes and burns (like most Bonds for the most part). Keep in mind I hadn't given any of the other Brosnans more than 2.5 stars (and I hated Denise Richards!) -- I probably was feeling a little too generous in giving that one 3, mainly for Berry coming out of the ocean ;)

Anyway as far as CASINO goes, for me THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS is a classier and more satisfying film than this one in many areas and is still the best "modern", post-Connery 007.

Craig DOES rock, though...good stuff!

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I'm also a big Living Daylights fan, although it still had some Roger Moore comic residue clinging to it (at least they mercifully cut that silly "flying carpet" gag), which Casino Royale thankfully omits. Again, the humor (which is there) tends to naturally arise from the situations instead of the old-hat "death followed by a witty quip" formula they've beaten into the ground (funny when it's "Shocking...positively shocking", considerably less so when it's "He put his money where his mouth is!" :roll: ). Everyone in my showing laughed when Craig offered to take the sacrificial lamb babe in the red dress "back to his place", then just drove in a circle and ended back at the entrance to the hotel. That was pure Connery. I'm not saying the film is perfect (they should have re-cast "M". Imagine Batman Begins with Michael Gough as Alfred. Not that Gough was bad in the Burton/Schumacher films, far from it, but it just would have been distracting in a franchise "reboot"), but it's the best Bond in a long, long time, and I hope that Craig will have a fruitful run as 007. Then again, history is against him (ever notice how odd-numbered Bonds are always hugely popular, while even-numbered Bonds always play 007 2 times or less?).

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#7 Post by AndyDursin »

It's a tough, uncompromising spy thriller obviously patterned after BOURNE -- maybe a bit TOO much for my tastes -- but I still think you will see big grosses at least out of the gate.

I doubt it's going to be enough to come close to what DIE ANOTHER DAY did in the U.S. in the final analysis.

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#8 Post by AndyDursin »

Friday estimates --

Casino Royale 14.4 14.4
Happy Feet 11.6 11.6
Borat 4.9 81.1
Stranger Than Fiction 2.3 18.5
Santa Clause 3: The Escape Claus 2.0 45.4


This might be one of those deals where HAPPY FEET ends up overtaking it because of weekend matinees and kids. We'll have to see -- I suppose that's a strong ($40 mil) number but again, I think it'll probably end up at $100 million domestic.

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AndyDursin wrote:I doubt it's going to be enough to come close to what DIE ANOTHER DAY did in the U.S. in the final analysis.
Generally it's the worst and most outlandish Bonds that usually do the best in the US, as witnessed by the success of DAD (which at least started well despite Brosnon's all to obvious complete and utter disinterest in anything but picking up a big cheque) and Moonraker Stateside. The rest of the world is more open to the grittier Bonds, as witnessed by the $3.3m UK first day figure - twice that of DAD. But there's also the fact that DAD had a bigger claim on the attention partially due to the anniversary promotions, added to the fact that the bad taste DAD left in so very many people's mouths put them off going to see this opening weekend.

But against that is the fact that most Bonds aren't mega-blockbuster US openers but have stamina at the box-office: DAD's high opening is something of an amoly in the series' history. More importantly, the US has always been regarded as an underachieving market for the series after the high watermark of Thunderball (which sold around a billion dollars worth of tickets at today's prices) - it's the rest of the world where Bond always makes the most money. Which is why I'm not worried about the almost certain probability that the rather good looking Happy Feet - an hour shorter and going for a much wider demographic - will beat it to number one in the US (and only in the US).

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#10 Post by AndyDursin »

he rest of the world is more open to the grittier Bonds, as witnessed by the $3.3m UK first day figure - twice that of DAD.
Yes, which is exactly why I said the U.S. gross would be lower, but I'm sure they knew that would happen and it'll make bundles internationally regardless.

My only issue is that I think there's going to be a tendency to over-rate this movie among Bond fans who'll be just happy the series is going in the right direction. IMO this is not a great movie, or a great Bond movie, but it's a very solid effort that DOES get the series on the right track and shows Craig was a terrific choice. I just think the film has some problems -- not enough for me to say I wouldn't want to see it again or it's the best Bond since LIVING DAYLIGHTS, but "instant classic" doesn't immediately come to mind.

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They also have the advantage of spending half of what they did on DAD with this one. Despite the gross, that's still the least profitable Bond film ever made. Seeing the kind of money the Bourne films made on a much lower budget was obviously a big factor, though.

I'm also sure a lot of the change of direction was brought on by their problems with Brosnan on the films and his increasingly bizarre "The producers are incompetent bastards who don't know what they're doing but they'll hire me again anyway because no-one else can do it" behaviour during negotiations for a fifth film while he was pricing himself out of the market (after all those interviews he gave slagging off EON how surprised could he really be that they gave up and went for another actor?. If they'd paid him what he was asking, not only would the film have cost around $160m (with a huge gross percentage going to Brosnan as well as director and script approval), it certainly wouldn't have been anything as comparatively risky as CR.

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#12 Post by AndyDursin »

They also have the advantage of spending half of what they did on DAD with this one. Despite the gross, that's still the least profitable Bond film ever made. Seeing the kind of money the Bourne films made on a much lower budget was obviously a big factor, though.
Great point, I could sense that coming from the movie too. The use of locales (Montenegro never looked better) felt like classic Bond and the stunt work was top notch...the opening foot chase DOES go on a bit but it's terrific.

In many ways this is very much like the situation where we went from MOONRAKER -- hugely successful, especially in the U.S. but effects filled and costly I'm guessing -- to FOR YOUR EYES ONLY, with its "lower tech" approach that tried to go back to basics.

This movie is obviously a lot more extreme (Bond: Nude, Bound, and Bloody!) but it makes sense: less expensive cast, less effects, smaller budget.

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Absolutely. Moonraker was very profitable, but its then massive budget was cited as one of the reasons TransAmerica sold off United Artists - even though the company was profitable, the discrepancy of making two $34m+ movies and one being one of the biggest hits of all time and the other being one of the biggest flops made it look a very irrational and unstable business prospect for a bunch of actuarians! :D

One great thing about the general reaction so far is just what kind of demented spin the loons at www.DanielCraigisnotBond.com will try to put on this. Already they're claiming that the film is a critical disaster, so how will they explain away the Friday numbers? I suspect some vintage insanity is forthcoming... :lol:

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#14 Post by AndyDursin »

LOL.

I liked Craig in LAYER CAKE and thought he'd be great after I saw him in that...and he's totally cool and emotive, even for a Bond who's supposed to be tough and uncompromising.

Other than GOLDENEYE haven't most "First Bonds" (i.e. OHMSS, LIVE AND LET DIE, LIVING DAYLIGHTS) done traditionally weaker than others? I'm guessing some part of it has to be the switch in actor and audiences being a little apprehensive over it.

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#15 Post by Carlson2005 »

As I expected - and have been mocked for months for saying - Happy Feet took number one, although it was a surprisingly close finish: only $1,630,000 between the two films (I'd been expecting HF to do much better). As just as I predicted, despite being a huge international hit in its opening weekend, the anti-Craigs are somehow spinning CR's $40m opening weekend (the second highest before inflation for a Bond) into a catastrophic failure that proves beyond doubt that the public has completely rejected Craig and that the producers will now beg Brosnan to come back and save them! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Meanwhile, back in the real world it's a very strong opening. Both films did well, especially in what has been a far worse year at the box-office for most films that last year (for all the doom and gloom last year, there weren't quite so many big-budget underachievers as this year).
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