AndyDursin wrote:
LOL, I figured you hadn't seen it. But yes, the father and mother and brother of the family in the first EWOK ADVENTURE are all killed in the opening minutes of the sequel, leaving their little girl an orphan. Good thing for her Wilford Brimley is around or else she'd be looking at saying "nub nub" for the rest of her life.
Yeah, but now she lives on a diet of oatmeal for the rest of her life.
Paul MacLean wrote:
Well, as you know, when adapting a book to the screen...
Which is why I didn't pay money to see that movie. I saw the ads and thought they would follow the plot--the easiest thing to do--and botch the ending--and I was right!
The only movie I ran out to see because I was really curious as to how they adapted a GOOD book was A SIMPLE PLAN, and they did a really good job. I was brought up a bit short by the climax, because they (smartly) lopped off some of the late chapters of the book, and they didn't focus on the moral downfall of the characters we see later, but that was expected. I was surprised as how good a job they did with that one.
I thought of another point about a moment in STAR WARS history tonight. Yes, I am of that generation that thinks of SW even though I own no collectibles and don't think very highly of Spielberg/Lucas...anyway.
Have you noticed that the scene in JEDI where Vader tosses the Emperor, that it's hard to make out what's happening? I think the music fills in a lot, because you've got black Vader and black Emperor in a dark set, and Vader kinda lurches to the side, and the Emperor yells and...it is very clumsily filmed.
The worst thing about SITH, which I enjoyed, is how Lucas tries to crowbar his stupid mistakes from the original trilogy into his backstory. Vader wasn't Luke's father until the writing of EMPIRE, so to get around the contradiction with Ben's* words, he adds that LAAAAAME moment with Ben saying "You're gonna have to learn that in this life things are about different points of view" or whatever. (I think that was the moment when I lost all hope for that movie.) So in SITH, he has to have Anakin talk about "my point of view," AND he has to show that having the Force doesn't mean you can levitate. It's just done so clumsily.
*If you were trying to hide Vader's children, would you bring one of them back to Vader's home planet? And if you're trying to lay low, and your name is Obi Wan Kenobi, will changing that name to Ben Kenobi REALLY throw off the Imperials? And if you're a powerful Jedi, why can't you get your mom out of slavery...? Well, you know how this goes...
JSWalsh wrote:I thought of another point about a moment in STAR WARS history tonight. Yes, I am of that generation that thinks of SW even though I own no collectibles and don't think very highly of Spielberg/Lucas...anyway.
Have you noticed that the scene in JEDI where Vader tosses the Emperor, that it's hard to make out what's happening? I think the music fills in a lot, because you've got black Vader and black Emperor in a dark set, and Vader kinda lurches to the side, and the Emperor yells and...it is very clumsily filmed.
The worst thing about SITH, which I enjoyed, is how Lucas tries to crowbar his stupid mistakes from the original trilogy into his backstory. Vader wasn't Luke's father until the writing of EMPIRE, so to get around the contradiction with Ben's* words, he adds that LAAAAAME moment with Ben saying "You're gonna have to learn that in this life things are about different points of view" or whatever. (I think that was the moment when I lost all hope for that movie.) So in SITH, he has to have Anakin talk about "my point of view," AND he has to show that having the Force doesn't mean you can levitate. It's just done so clumsily.
*If you were trying to hide Vader's children, would you bring one of them back to Vader's home planet? And if you're trying to lay low, and your name is Obi Wan Kenobi, will changing that name to Ben Kenobi REALLY throw off the Imperials? And if you're a powerful Jedi, why can't you get your mom out of slavery...? Well, you know how this goes...
I certainly don't want this thread to become STAR WARS-centric, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents to JSWalsh's point above... For me, it actually made total sense when Yoda decides in SITH to send young Luke to Tatooine. Due to the fact that his mother was tortured and killed there, I can understand that it would be a painful place for Anakin to revisit and with her gone, Yoda was hoping there would be no reason for him to go back. And maybe there is also the indication that Yoda realized Luke should be surrounded by those in his family rather than a Jedi not related to him. I know that the details in the SW movies can get messy, but I still love the overall arc of the entire series.
JSWalsh wrote:I thought of another point about a moment in STAR WARS history tonight. Yes, I am of that generation that thinks of SW even though I own no collectibles and don't think very highly of Spielberg/Lucas...anyway.
Have you noticed that the scene in JEDI where Vader tosses the Emperor, that it's hard to make out what's happening? I think the music fills in a lot, because you've got black Vader and black Emperor in a dark set, and Vader kinda lurches to the side, and the Emperor yells and...it is very clumsily filmed.
The worst thing about SITH, which I enjoyed, is how Lucas tries to crowbar his stupid mistakes from the original trilogy into his backstory. Vader wasn't Luke's father until the writing of EMPIRE, so to get around the contradiction with Ben's* words, he adds that LAAAAAME moment with Ben saying "You're gonna have to learn that in this life things are about different points of view" or whatever. (I think that was the moment when I lost all hope for that movie.) So in SITH, he has to have Anakin talk about "my point of view," AND he has to show that having the Force doesn't mean you can levitate. It's just done so clumsily.
*If you were trying to hide Vader's children, would you bring one of them back to Vader's home planet? And if you're trying to lay low, and your name is Obi Wan Kenobi, will changing that name to Ben Kenobi REALLY throw off the Imperials? And if you're a powerful Jedi, why can't you get your mom out of slavery...? Well, you know how this goes...
I certainly don't want this thread to become STAR WARS-centric, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents to JSWalsh's point above... For me, it actually made total sense when Yoda decides in SITH to send young Luke to Tatooine. Due to the fact that his mother was tortured and killed there, I can understand that it would be a painful place for Anakin to revisit and with her gone, Yoda was hoping there would be no reason for him to go back. And maybe there is also the indication that Yoda realized Luke should be surrounded by those in his family rather than a Jedi not related to him. I know that the details in the SW movies can get messy, but I still love the overall arc of the entire series.
I feel the same way TS. Though I do agree with John, that it's pretty obvious -- in spite of whatever Lucas says -- that the Luke/Vader father/son connection, and probably the Luke/Leia sibling element also, was established AFTER the first movie was released. I don't think you would've had what romantic leanings there were between Luke & Leia in the first movie, or the sentiment between them, if the story really was as laid out as he claims.
Otherwise, I do like the arc and how it works. The end of SITH was certainly emotional and brought it all full circle.
In all the millions of worlds available, they picked THAT one? If Vader were ever to learn he had kids, the FIRST place he'd look for them is where their only family members lived.
And how come if Vader is so powerful--"more powerful than either of us" according to the Emperor, who can feel Vader in trouble from across the galaxy--how come Vader doesn't even feel a ripple when he's in orbit over the planet his SON is on in the original Star Wars.
JSWalsh wrote:In all the millions of worlds available, they picked THAT one? If Vader were ever to learn he had kids, the FIRST place he'd look for them is where their only family members lived.
And how come if Vader is so powerful--"more powerful than either of us" according to the Emperor, who can feel Vader in trouble from across the galaxy--how come Vader doesn't even feel a ripple when he's in orbit over the planet his SON is on in the original Star Wars.
Sometimes I think that there are movies I watch which I FEEL will be important to me later, but even then I suspect that eventually I'll forget them.
But I can still recall watching the "tears in rain" ending of BLADE RUNNER and feeling like I'd come to the end of something MASSIVE.
I was 16 when I saw BLADE RUNNER opening night, and that final monologue really blew me away. It led to me saying goodbye to much of science fiction, really--the SF imagery about attack ships on fire and such was kind of backward-looking, and after that, junky SF just didn't have as much of a thrill anymore. I started reading PKDick and a lot more mainstream fiction.
As I was watching it, that scene felt important, and it's still one of the most amazing moments in any movie, for me.
