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#436 Post by AndyDursin »

Monterey Jack wrote:CT,HD is not your usual "kung fu" flick...it's very densely plotted, with several superb performances (including a breakout turn by the ravishing Zhang Ziyi :D) and gorgeous visuals. As one critic put it, "It's chopsocky you can pick apart over lattes".
It's also tedious and pretentious.

For all the praise people gushed upon it, I just felt a little bit let down after seeing it. Worth watching though.

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#437 Post by Paul MacLean »

AndyDursin wrote: For all the praise people gushed upon it, I just felt a little bit let down after seeing it. Worth watching though.
I found it slow going as well. I have to say I've always thought the combat scenes in Hong Kong martial arts movies were ridiculous, the way the actors levitate and float around while fighting. Integrating that style into an ponderous "art film" never worked for me (nor for audiences in Asia, where Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon bombed).

I suppose the American equivalent would be like trying to integrate the elements of a violent youth exploitation film like Class of 1984 into Mr Holland's Opus! Some genres just don't mix!

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#438 Post by mkaroly »

Mr. Holland's Opus....man did I hate that film! Lol...I'd chalk that one up as one of the worst I've seen, mainly because it left me feeling like it did everything it could to be heart-stringy in a non-sincere, pretentious way (IMO).

I did like the effects of CT, HD...but to be honest I don't even remember what the story was about.

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#439 Post by Monterey Jack »

Minority Report: 10/10

I love this movie to death. Nice to see that the Blu-Ray contains ALL of the DVD features for once, and the transfer thankfully doesn't try to scrub out all of the intentional grain of Januz Kaminski's exceptional photography. Great John Williams score, too (especially for the "Spyder" setpiece).

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#440 Post by AndyDursin »

Need to see MINORITY REPORT again. It had a couple of elements I didn't like, but for the most part it's Spielberg's best film by a country mile in the last 10-15 years or thereabouts.

Alas Paramount doesn't send me review product, so I'd have to buy it...but I might do it. Amazon UK has a steelbook blu ray, have to import a few titles anyway might as well pick it up.

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#441 Post by Eric Paddon »

Two more Laser Disc transfers to DVD.

Circus World (1964) (7 of 10). "The Greatest Show On Earth" was the better circus movie, but this has a lot going for it thanks to its widescreen epic feel of the early 60s.

Close Encounters Of The Third Kind (6 of 10). This was the Criterion CAV set which allowed one to program all footage from the 77 and 80 versions into a single viewing experience (though you get a split second blue screen when it jumps to a Special Edition sequence). And since such a version is never going to be available in the DVD format, I figured it made sense to rip this version to disc. It's by far the best version to watch since I think the more for the narrative, the better, but I still think this is a very overrated film and all these years later the distaste over Dreyfuss abandoning his family still sticks out. The character should have been divorced already or single.

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#442 Post by AndyDursin »

I have that Criterion LD too. For me Spielberg's Collector's Edition edit, which basically is fairly close to the theatrical cut with the Special Edition additions (except the unneeded, added "mothership interior"), is the best of all the different edits. There's not much missing in that version that needed to be put back IMO, while it restores some of the character asides that were trimmed for the Special Edition.

The Blu-Ray also enables you to watch the Special Edition, the '77 cut, or the Collector's Edition, with on-screen prompts to guide you to the different footage I believe, so it's pretty close to what Criterion did (not to mention you don't need to program those damn chapter markings which drove me crazy!).

Spielberg always said he'd never end the movie the same way after he had kids -- either way it's one of my Top 10 all-time favorites for everything else it does so brilliantly. The Criterion LD supplements though remain unique.

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#443 Post by Eric Paddon »

The Collectors Edition though still leaves out a couple scenes from the 77 version like Dreyfuss at the power company and Carl Weathers' one scene. On Blu Ray is it possible to actually program a viewing session with all footage from the two versions or does one still have to do it two ways?

I still think the mothership interior scene makes it seem like Dreyfuss gets turned into an alien and that's him who walks out of the ship!

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MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY (1962) - 5/10. It's a cool story (though I guess it deviates from actual history in its character portrayals), and the visuals were great, but honestly Brando kind of drags the film down. His performance is good (and I laughed when he rode the boat back to the island to continue "making love" to the island woman), but I wasn't into his faux British accent and his acting was too serious. Trevor Howard was thoroughly distasteful as Bligh, and the final third of the film was a mess that never quite gelled for me. I liked Kaper's score, and I think the production history of the film is much more interesting than the film itself. Great accomplishment in building a full-scale replica of the ship. Nowadays it would probably be CGI.

NONE BUT THE BRAVE (1965) - 4/10. I liked John Williams' score, but the film never connected with me emotionally. The dialogue is a bit dated, and I never cared for Sinatra as an actor. His plea to the Japanese soldier whose leg he amputated fell way flat late in the film. While I disliked Tommy Sands' character at first, I think he did the best acting job among the American actors. I liked the Japanese cast though. It's too bad this was his first and only directing job...had this been his third or fourth effort, I think he would have done a better job making his points and infusing emotion into the film.

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#445 Post by AndyDursin »

Eric Paddon wrote:The Collectors Edition though still leaves out a couple scenes from the 77 version like Dreyfuss at the power company and Carl Weathers' one scene.
I covered that in my original review too. I never thought the power plant scene was all that important myself. And the Carl Weathers bit always seemed like something they added back in because it was Carl Weathers, lol. I never liked the other trims (like Dreyfuss tearing up his yard, etc.) from the Special Edition -- it was good to see most of them put back in that "Collector's Edition".

The BD doesn't enable you to view all the footage from the different versions -- you can select which of the 3 versions you want (with the corresponding end credits music even) and there's an optional on-screen function that shows you where the scenes are in relation to the other cuts.
I still think the mothership interior scene makes it seem like Dreyfuss gets turned into an alien and that's him who walks out of the ship!
lol, I never got that impression myself. It was just a bad edit really.

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#446 Post by Eric Paddon »

mkaroly wrote:MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY (1962) - 5/10. It's a cool story (though I guess it deviates from actual history in its character portrayals),
Quite the understatement! In fact, both the 35 and 62 versions are guilty of outrageous historical distortions that frankly are of an Oliver Stone nature for their time, though in fairness they were just drawing from a popular novel that romanticized the story in the wrong direction. Serious scholars now concede that in fact Bligh was by the standards of the day one of the more humane commanders in the British navy and that in fact the Mutiny was triggered as a result of him bearing down after an overly long time in Tahiti where he'd been lax in enforcing discipline and the likes of Christian just couldn't handle it.

"The Bounty" is the only version of the story that gets things mostly right, though I still think it could be done even better, especially the harrowing tale of Bligh's open sea journey to safety after being set adrift.

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#447 Post by mkaroly »

FIRES ON THE PLAIN (1959) - 9/10. Solid anti-war film from Japan that makes its points visually. It's a bit slow at times but has some humorous moments and several disturbing images that speak volumes of the inhumanity and evils of war. I enjoyed it, and it sticks with you after watching it.

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#448 Post by Paul MacLean »

Eric Paddon wrote:"The Bounty" is the only version of the story that gets things mostly right, though I still think it could be done even better, especially the harrowing tale of Bligh's open sea journey to safety after being set adrift.
Wasn't there a further "mini-mutiny" on the lifeboat, in which half the crew stayed loyal to Bligh, and the other half sided with Fryer?

Bligh's life would make an interesting (if depressing) miniseries, tracking his voyage with James Cooke (on which Cooke was murdered), his doomed command of The Bounty, and finally the debacle of the Rum Rebellion.

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#449 Post by John Johnson »

There was in fact an earlier version of The Bounty. Made in 1933, In the Wake of the Bounty was made two years before the MGM version and is generally accepted to have been Errol Flynn's first film.

In the Wake of the Bounty (1933) was an Australian film exploring the story of the Bounty. It preceded MGM's more famous Mutiny on the Bounty by two years and featured the screen debut of Errol Flynn, playing Fletcher Christian. Mayne Lynton portrayed Captain Bligh and Charles Chauvel directed the film. When Flynn became famous for playing pirates at Warner Bros. a couple of years later, and told people about this film, few people believed him. Flynn, a Tasmanian, had made the film in a Sydney studio although he often claimed he made it in the South Pacific as an isolated brush with acting before trying his luck in America. He would also later claim to be descended from Bounty mutineers. There was at least one other film of the Bounty story prior to Chauvel's film, by Australians Raymond Longford and Lottie Lyall, filmed in New Zealand.In 1935, some of the documentary scenes from Chauvel's film were bought by MGM and re-edited into trailers for the Hollywood film.

Chauvel's film uses introductory enacted scenes showing the mutiny, followed by much more interesting documentary footage, anthropological style, of the mutineers' descendants on Pitcairn Island (this footage now has great historic value). Chauvel also used footage of Polynesian women dancers; and film of an underwater shipwreck, filmed with a glass bottomed boat, which he believed was the Bounty but was probably not. This was Chauvel's first 'talkie' and he had clearly not at this stage learned to direct actors: the dialogue is very stiff and amateurish The use of long sections of documentary footage with a voice over, combined with acted scenes, is similar to the hybrid silent and talking pictures that were produced during the transition to sound. It also represents the combination of interests of the director, and he returned to documentary towards the end of his career with the BBC television series Walkabout. While the enacted scenes have been described as cringe-making to today's viewers, not only on account of the wooden acting but also the ludicrously unconvincing sets and poorly written dialogue, the documentary sections retain their excellence. A return to enactments at the end of the film, with one scripted modern scene in which a child suffers because of the lack of regular ship visits which could have taken the child to hospital, probably sought to make the film a useful voice for the Pitcairn Island community, who had been generous with their participation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Wake_of_the_Bounty
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#450 Post by Eric Paddon »

Paul MacLean wrote:
Eric Paddon wrote:"The Bounty" is the only version of the story that gets things mostly right, though I still think it could be done even better, especially the harrowing tale of Bligh's open sea journey to safety after being set adrift.
Wasn't there a further "mini-mutiny" on the lifeboat, in which half the crew stayed loyal to Bligh, and the other half sided with Fryer?

Bligh's life would make an interesting (if depressing) miniseries, tracking his voyage with James Cooke (on which Cooke was murdered), his doomed command of The Bounty, and finally the debacle of the Rum Rebellion.
I don't think it was really a mutiny per se. Yes, Bligh ran things tightly but because he was the only one with any sense of how to get them to safety it never came to that. Nonetheless even those whose lives he saved through his seamanship never put in much of a good word for him afterwards.

The 35 version is utterly unwatchable for anyone who read of the true story first. The caricature portrayal by Laughton is just beyond absurd, and then the gimmick of Bligh himself going after the mutineers in Repulse is even sillier melodrama.

If there is one problem with the 84 version, it's the fact that it chiefly draws from a book by an author who tries to push the idea that Bligh came down on Christian because of some spurned homosexual interest. This only subtly hinted at once I think in the movie, but it still would have been nicer to see one of the better Bounty history books used as the chief source (though it was still a great improvement).

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