NO TIME TO DIE [Bond 25] - SPOILER Talk

[AndyDursin]

Guess Danny Boyle isnt the one with the problem!

Bond producers actually wanted to kill 007 at the end of the next movie. A source told The Sun that Craig and producer Barbara Broccoli wanted Bond to die in a "spectacular finale," which Danny Boyle said was "ridiculous."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7 ... 25th-film/

Esquire, however, thinks its a GREAT idea and cant wait for mysognist Bond to be replaced with a new politically correct version!

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/m ... ames-bond/

Fans are eager to see a new type of man or woman play Bond—and were disappointed when Idris Elba confirmed last week that he won't be the next 007. The antiquated themes of the post-British empire Bond, the womanizing, etc., are all bygones of a past era.

It's time for a James Bond of the 21st century, and as many fans suggested when Elba was a top candidate, the producers can just kill this version of the character when Craig leaves the franchise.

#metoo007

[Monterey Jack]

SCREW.

THAT.

You want a sensitive, politically-correct hero? Watch another damn franchise.

[Eric Paddon]

One viewing was enough for me with those Craig films. But I admit I can watch this again and again and keep laughing.

[mkaroly]

Guess Danny Boyle isnt the one with the problem!

Bond producers actually wanted to kill 007 at the end of the next movie. A source told The Sun that Craig and producer Barbara Broccoli wanted Bond to die in a "spectacular finale," which Danny Boyle said was "ridiculous."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7 ... 25th-film/

Esquire, however, thinks its a GREAT idea and cant wait for mysognist Bond to be replaced with a new politically correct version!

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/m ... ames-bond/

Fans are eager to see a new type of man or woman play Bond—and were disappointed when Idris Elba confirmed last week that he won't be the next 007. The antiquated themes of the post-British empire Bond, the womanizing, etc., are all bygones of a past era.

It's time for a James Bond of the 21st century, and as many fans suggested when Elba was a top candidate, the producers can just kill this version of the character when Craig leaves the franchise.

#metoo007

HA HA HA!!! That is the dumbest idea I have ever heard (IMO). This fan (of over 40 years, mind you) does not want to see a new type of man or woman play Bond; I was not disappointed to hear that Idris Elba would not be the next Bond. And James Bond is not female (nor should he be). Jeers to Esquire for overgeneralizing "Fans" in that last quote. Maybe "some" fans (however many that might be) want to see it...and if that is what you as a "fan" want to see that's fine, just don't overgeneralize and include me in that lot. As MJ said, create your own separate character.

[Johnmgm]

I call “ Bullshit.” This sounds like a dopey rumor. Cubby’s daughter might be dumb enough to kill off Bond, but I can’t picture a a shrewd lawyer like Wilson gambling on the golden goose in such a stupid manner.

[AndyDursin]

Sadly I do buy it, mainly because of Craig's politics and prior comments. He dislikes the character/series so much, why not cash out and burn the franchise down in back of him at the same time? Its an idea I can absolutely see him floating given his statements in the past. At the least he does not seem to have much affection for the character or the history of the series, and never really has.

Are the Broccolis that stupid to follow him down the rabbit hole? John asks a fair question...in the past, I wouldnt think so, but they are also getting older and if they are surrounded by "folks in the bubble" then anything is on the table.

The way things are going, killing off Bond and doing a "Doctor Who regen" (as one of the articles ludicrously put it) with a "PC 007" is something I can totally see idiots doing today. You just wouldnt expect it coming from a series that has successfully moved right along from one Bond to another in the past. We are, however, living in a very different time....

[Monterey Jack]

If they kill off Bond just to make him black/a woman/transgender in his new iteration in the name of being "woke", this is the end of the road for me as far as this franchise goes...and I've been a fan since I was nine. For God's Sake, just make a NEW FRIGGIN' CHARACTER.

[Paul MacLean]

The way things are going, killing off Bond and doing a "Doctor Who regen" (as one of the articles ludicrously put it) with a "PC 007" is something I can totally see idiots doing today. You just wouldnt expect it coming from a series that has successfully moved right along from one Bond to another in the past. We are, however, living in a very different time....

It's ironic, as Bond's screen persona in the Craig era very much embodies the 007 of the books. Yet Craig wants to kill off the character Ian Fleming wrote, because Bond presumably "affronts" people who are trying to conform our culture to their astringent (and subjective) comfort zone.

I'm reminded of something Top Gear host Jeremy Clarkson said back in 2011 -- “If your start to pay attention to everybody’s concerns, you end up with something bland an boring.” Top Gear of course was frequently attacked for offensive and inappropriate humor -- yet was also one of the most popular series in BBC history (until the BBC cut off their nose to spite their face by firing Clarkson).

Bond is arguably "out of step with the drummer" in this age when people are encouraged (if not strong-armed) into adopting a more "PC" ideology. But Bond was also out of step with the drummer in the 1950s and early 60s. A hard-drinking ruthless killer and womanizer seemed an unlikely hero in an age when "traditional morality" reigned supreme. But that was Bond's appeal -- he embodied a liberating fantasy, which appealed to the proper suburban husband, whose life consisted of working 9 to 5, paying the mortgage and supporting a wife and children.

We certainly do live in a different time today -- in which insecure people are pushing to criminalize "offensive" speech, vilify patriotism and demand men embrace more "sensitive" behavior (i.e. behave more like women). A ruthless, had-drinking character who epitomizes "toxic masculinity", is irresistible to women, drives fast cars, and (horrors!) carries a gun is just as a cathartic a fantasy today as it was 60 years ago!

[Monterey Jack]

Thing is, when Timothy Dalton took over the role in the late 80's and got symbolically castrated due to the AIDS epidemic (he only beds, what, three women in two movies?), everyone groused about how much of a sap he had become by actually being -- *gasp!* -- monogamous with Maryam D'Abo's Bond Girl in The Living Daylights. Now, he'd be applauded for it. It's every bit as bad as the Kingsman sequel, where the kidnapped princess Eggsy, ahem, "goes through the back door" with at the end of the original in a total throwback to the charming naughtiness of the Connery and Moore era Bond films he's now in a committed relationship with. Lame...!

[Paul MacLean]

Thing is, when Timothy Dalton took over the role in the late 80's and got symbolically castrated due to the AIDS epidemic (he only beds, what, three women in two movies?), everyone groused about how much of a sap he had become by actually being -- *gasp!* -- monogamous with Maryam D'Abo's Bond Girl in The Living Daylights. Now, he'd be applauded for it.

Dalton claimed it had nothing to do with "safe sex" (though later Bond films always absorbed the zeitgeist on some level). On the other hand, Dalton brought the decidedly non-PC habit of smoking back to the character (I think the last time Bond smoked had been Moore puffing a cigar in TMWTGG, while cigarettes hadn't been seen since OHMSS).

The one thing thing that struck me about TLD was how a young cellist could snatch an AK47 away from a battle-hardened Taliban fighter, and wield it like a seasoned war veteran.

Ironically, SPECTRE's Léa Seydoux struck me as one of the more helpless and vulnerable Bond girls.

[Monterey Jack]

The one thing that struck me about TLD was how a young cellist could snatch an AK47 away from a battle-hardened Taliban fighter, and wield it like a seasoned war veteran.

And this after Dalton's Bond said he didn't shoot her in the post-credits sequence because, "I only kill professionals, she was an amateur" (or something to this effect), indicating that he could tell she wasn't a seasoned sniper when he chose to shoot at her rifle instead of her (and, okay, because he didn't want to shoot a beautiful woman).

[Eric Paddon]

I thought they were making too big a deal about the fact that the script had Bond being "monogamous" in Living Daylights, because back in DAF, Tiffany Case ends up being the old girl he beds in the entire film (okay, he was going to with Lana Wood before they got interrupted but he decided to settle for more Tiffany instead!) So it's not as if it was without precedence.

[Eric W.]

The world's gone nuts. Bond is Bond... make another character and franchise/concept instead.

[mkaroly]

The way things are going, killing off Bond and doing a "Doctor Who regen" (as one of the articles ludicrously put it) with a "PC 007" is something I can totally see idiots doing today. You just wouldnt expect it coming from a series that has successfully moved right along from one Bond to another in the past. We are, however, living in a very different time....

It's ironic, as Bond's screen persona in the Craig era very much embodies the 007 of the books. Yet Craig wants to kill off the character Ian Fleming wrote, because Bond presumably "affronts" people who are trying to conform our culture to their astringent (and subjective) comfort zone.

I'm reminded of something Top Gear host Jeremy Clarkson said back in 2011 -- “If your start to pay attention to everybody’s concerns, you end up with something bland an boring.” Top Gear of course was frequently attacked for offensive and inappropriate humor -- yet was also one of the most popular series in BBC history (until the BBC cut off their nose to spite their face by firing Clarkson).

Bond is arguably "out of step with the drummer" in this age when people are encouraged (if not strong-armed) into adopting a more "PC" ideology. But Bond was also out of step with the drummer in the 1950s and early 60s. A hard-drinking ruthless killer and womanizer seemed an unlikely hero in an age when "traditional morality" reigned supreme. But that was Bond's appeal -- he embodied a liberating fantasy, which appealed to the proper suburban husband, whose life consisted of working 9 to 5, paying the mortgage and supporting a wife and children.

We certainly do live in a "different time" today -- where a vociferous contingent are working to criminalize "offensive" speech, vilify patriotism and demand men embrace more "sensitive" behavior (i.e. behave more like women). A ruthless, had-drinking character who epitomizes "toxic masculinity", is irresistible to women, drives fast cars, and (horrors!) carries a gun is just as a cathartic a fantasy today as it was 60 years ago!

Well said Paul.

[Eric W.]

Yup, spot on.