NO TIME TO DIE [Bond 25] - SPOILER Talk

[Monterey Jack]

Brosnan was around the same age when he left the role, and looked about a decade younger than he actually was.

[AndyDursin]

In better shape than Craig. Guy doesn't look well.

[Paul MacLean]

Even Connery looked considerably younger and more vital as the "over the hill" 007 in Never Say Never Again...

[Monterey Jack]

Of COURSE Hans Zimmer is composing the score...

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/hans ... 203458908/

[AndyDursin]

This movie is getting exactly what it deserves.

[mkaroly]

UGGGGGHHH! WTF???

[Paul MacLean]

Whether the film is good or bad, why must Hans Zimmer move in on every franchise and re-shape the musical aesthetic to his own?

This used to really annoy me. But now it's positively disturbing.

[AndyDursin]

Once upon a time people wanted to see a "Bond movie" because it LOOKED AND SOUNDED like a Bond movie. The "Bond sound". The "Bond girls". Those days are clearly gone.

To me it's a sign of desperation. What does every sagging movie franchise do when things are looking down? (TERMINATOR, X-MEN, AMAZING SPIDER-MAN, etc.). Seems like Zimmer or his pals gets the call every time when that happens, no matter if he's had no relation to their predecessors or his music is suited to them.

Studios are taking fewer and fewer chances, filmmakers are getting less and less leeway -- hence you "stick to what works" and since Zimmer and his stable of "associates" scores a huge chunk of studio movies every year, it's the "tried and true" formula where they know what they're going to get.

And, of course, so do we. Which is why this move is so depressing. How many boring Zimmer action scores do you have to hear before you could score this movie in a computer simulation and know what it'll sound like? Oh he'll do something with the Bond theme and one or two people on the FSM board will think it's AMAZING, but everyone else will think it sucks and feel that this franchise is going down the road of every other rehashed IP in our pop culture today.

Between the script problems, pre-production issues, constant rewrites, Craig running the whole show and now this -- the likelihood that this movie is going to be any good is really pretty low.

[Monterey Jack]

This is as dispiriting as when the last Mission: Impossible movie got Balfe'd...even though director Christopher McQuarrie had an effective, established relationship with Joe Kraemer, which even extended to the previous M:I movie! Balfe's leaden, plodding score did an otherwise terrific movie no favors whatsoever, and you know it was studio pressure that forced him to swap out his go-to guy.

Andy's right in how Zimmer's influence has become poisonous and all-pervasive in Hollywood. It's like Invasion Of The Composer Snatchers, everything getting flattened-out into the same generic mush, and anyone who doesn't knuckle under and consciously alter their style to adhere to the Zimmer "power chord" template getting replaced with some anonymous Remote Control intern who fetched Hans an especially good cup of coffee.



How nice was it when James Horner showed us what a superhero score used to sound like in the first Amazing Spider-Man (greatly elevating an otherwise disappointing franchise reboot)? How crushing was it when Zimmer and his pets spread their musical manure all over the already-lousy sequel?

[AndyDursin]

It feels worse than M:I because Hans Zimmer has no business being involved with a Bond movie. It's a franchise with a storied history and its own way of doing things. Now it's just like everyone, and everything, else.

[Monterey Jack]

Of COURSE the zombies at the FSM board are chiding the "haters" for groaning at the thought of the five-thousandth Zimmer score this decade.

I feel like I'm in Oldboy, trapped in a hotel room and forced to choke down the same awful Chinese takeout meal every single day for almost two decades straight. No matter how you dress it up with a variety of condiments and sides, it's the same shite.

[Paul MacLean]

How crushing was it when Zimmer and his pets spread their musical manure all over the already-lousy sequel?

How dare you insult manure by comparing it to Hans Zimmer's music!

[Monterey Jack]

How dare you insult manure by comparing it to Hans Zimmer's music!

I retract my statement...at least manure makes things grow.

[Monterey Jack]

People giving me crap on the CRITERION forum as well.

www.criterionforum.org/forum/viewtopic. ... &start=575

Jesus, you'd think people there would understand what constitutes good film music...

[Paul MacLean]

People giving me crap on the CRITERION forum as well.

www.criterionforum.org/forum/viewtopic. ... &start=575

Do you know how to access the thread? The page you linked to has a further link which supposedy goes to a thread where the topic is Zimmer. But that link keeps taking me to a page which says a "You are not authorised to read this forum."

I even registered, but it still takes me to that page.