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#16 Post by AndyDursin »

Is this the most underrated great sequel ever made?
I totally agree with your review but I still wouldn't call it underrated. It was #6 on Gene Siskel's Best of 1990. And every major critic I regularly read all liked it -- very enthusiastically, for the most part, when it was released.

Internet people seem to write it off these days, but that's just internet people. :lol:

Speaking of 1990...a few better movies came out that year than 2018. :(


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AndyDursin wrote: Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:11 pm
I totally agree with your review but I still wouldn't call it underrated. It was #6 on Gene Siskel's Best of 1990. And every major critic I regularly read all liked it -- very enthusiastically, for the most part, when it was released.

Internet people seem to write it off these days, but that's just internet people. :lol:
That's just it...no one ever goes back to read what critics thought of when a movie was released, they just sheepishly follow whatever "the pack" thinks online. :roll: It just baffles me why so many people think With A Vengeance is the "better" film, just because John McTiernan came back to direct and because Sam Jackson is in it. :? It's the Last Crusade fallacy, where because the third film is "funnier" and has a famous actor in the sidekick role, that makes it superior to the second, despite that film being far better-made in terms of filmmaking craft and storytelling. I stopped watching WAV altogether years ago, because it's SUCH a crushing letdown compared to the first two. Bad special effects, clumsy camerawork, absurd conincidences and that lousy, cheapjack reshot ending. Even Willis' delivery of McClane's catchphrase seems perfunctory. It's the Alien 3 of the Die Hard franchise, and not even a handful of funny lines and one really well-done suspense sequence (the elevator shootout) can save it. I can enjoy Live Free... as a solid action movie, but it doesn't feel much like a Die Hard film, and, seriously, is Bonnie Bedelia really that busy to reprise her role as Holly, even just for a token cameo? The "estranged, alcolholic McClane" we've seen since WAV is a total, depressing drag.

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I have often wondered if there was some friction or bad blood or....whatever....with Bonnie. Agreed it seemed bizarre she didnt come back. Too much money? Some other reason?

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I remember seeing DIE HARD WAV in the theater when it came out and being very disappointed. I don't know if I've seen it since. Some of those "Die Hard in a..." movies in the 90's were better than WAV (like both UNDER SIEGE movies).

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Exactly, we have had the discussion on it many times before. I saw it at a sneak preview a few days before it opened and was crushed. It didn't even feel like a DIE HARD movie, even with McTiernan back. The obvious "shoot in NYC for a few days, make the rest elsewhere" (apparently Maryland and South Carolina!) locations, the absolutely awful, rushed ending (as I heard it, reshot to cover for a cliffhanger/sequel tease they decided not to make)...it's just really poor. I've never understood why anyone thinks it's a good movie, much less a quality sequel.

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AndyDursin wrote: Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:41 pm Exactly, we have had the discussion on it many times before. I saw it at a sneak preview a few days before it opened and was crushed. It didn't even feel like a DIE HARD movie, even with McTiernan back. The obvious "shoot in NYC for a few days, make the rest elsewhere" (apparently Maryland and South Carolina!) locations, the absolutely awful, rushed ending (as I heard it, reshot to cover for a cliffhanger/sequel tease they decided not to make)...it's just really poor. I've never understood why anyone thinks it's a good movie, much less a quality sequel.
In the UK, the third Die Hard film was distributed by Buena Vista International.
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Indeed. Andrew Vajna's post-Carolco company, Cinergi, put up some of the money and got the foreign rights for III (and Cinergi had a distribution deal with Disney).

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AndyDursin wrote: Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:44 pm I have often wondered if there was some friction or bad blood or....whatever....with Bonnie. Agreed it seemed bizarre she didnt come back. Too much money? Some other reason?
From what I've heard about the forthcoming Die Hard 6 (ugh...), half of the movie will be flashbacks to a young McClane when me meets Holly while working a case, and the rest will take place today with him dealing with the fallout from that case, so maybe they can cajole Bedelia back for a one-scene appearance. And maybe get MEW back while they're at it (amazes me they actually cut her cameo out of the "director's cut" of A Good Day... :x).

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#24 Post by AndyDursin »

Tonight...my annual viewing of one of the all-time worst holiday comedies...

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Why subject yourself to it yearly if you hate it?

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Its just so bad, it takes on a certain level of entertainment the more you see it. I like to throw it on inbetween the good stuff...only so many Scrooges I can make it through annually.

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#27 Post by esteban miranda »

The Cheaters (1945) 2/5

I hesitate to post this one, probably no one here has heard of it and it really isn't that good, a B-movie My Man Godfrey knockoff.
Joseph Schildkraut, best known as a character actor, stars with Billie Burke and Eugene Pallette, no big stars here. A down on his luck actor is taken in by a wealthy family at Christmas time and he teaches them what's really important in life.

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Managed to squeeze in all 4 of my personal perennials...

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#29 Post by Paul MacLean »

The Lion in Winter (10/10)

This may seem an odd choice for "holiday viewing", given its bittersweet depiction of a dysfunctional royal family, but it's always been a favorite of my mother's and mine -- and has moments which honestly aren't far-removed from the discord my late sister often brought to our family gatherings (heaven rest her, but that is the truth!). Seeing as my 23-year-old niece loves history, great drama (and is acquiring a taste for classic films), we figured it was high-time she saw it.

James Goldman's play is certainly one of the finest of the 20th century, and offers a telling glimpse into the royal conniving and back-stabbing of the 12th. Both Peter O'Toole and Katherine Hepburn deliver what are arguably their finest performances ever (which is saying a lot). The supporting cast -- Anthony Hopkins, Nigel Terry and John Castle are equally compelling, and flawless in their portrayal of the three opportunistic princes, as is Timothy Dalton as King Phillippe of France. John Barry is at height of his inspiration, delivering a score which is dramatically powerful -- but so nuanced and in sync with the drama it is almost unnoticeable (and yet on disc it is some of his most listenable work). And as usual, Barry's music doesn't feel like a product of the era when it was written (which helps give the film a timeless quality). High points to the moody, effective cinematography by Douglas Slocombe as well.

For me this is the greatest Christmas movie ever. And my niece loved it!




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#30 Post by esteban miranda »

The Blue Carbuncle (1984) - Jeremy Brett
The Blue Carbuncle (1968) - Peter Cushing

The Granada production is routinely watched in our house at Christmas time and, in common with most of this Adventures of Sherlock Holmes series, is a superior entertainment, well adapted and performed (unless you happen to not like Brett's version of the character). The amount of dialog lifted straight from Conan Doyle was always a boon to these series.

The BBC production starring Peter Cushing is much less interesting. Most of the acting seems to be of the "hit your mark and say your lines" variety. The script is very workman-like and of course the production values are low-budget. I haven't seen the other surviving BBC episodes in some years so I don't recall if this Blue Carbuncle is typical of their series, but worth trotting out every few years...

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