Re: Star Trek I-IV on 4K UHD This Fall
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:09 am
Gonna be an expensive September!
Star Trek - The Motion Picture DIRECTOR'S EDITION UHD/BD Release; Limited Set Includes 1983 TV Version!
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Re: Star Trek I-IV on 4K UHD - September 7th
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:32 am
Nice!
Re: Star Trek I-IV on 4K UHD - September 7th
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:29 pm
For original art this isn't bad.
Re: Star Trek I-IV on 4K UHD - September 7th
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:49 pm
Why not throw the next two in as well?
What kind of collection can they make out of those? The bad one and the last good one?
What kind of collection can they make out of those? The bad one and the last good one?
Re: Star Trek I-IV on 4K UHD - September 7th
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:44 pm
Looks like a "test the waters" kind of release. Give the fans this now. If it sells well, then bring out the complete film series whenever the next movie comes out.
Paramount has been doing this with the movies across every home video format since time began
The good news is Paramount has been doing a stellar job with their UHD catalog releases of late. Really I would be thrilled to see a spotless TMP without the noise reduction. That Blu-Ray actually looks great and would've been ideal had they not filtered it with DNR. Remove it and make a solid Dolby Vision HDR pass and we ought to be cookin'.
Paramount has been doing this with the movies across every home video format since time began
The good news is Paramount has been doing a stellar job with their UHD catalog releases of late. Really I would be thrilled to see a spotless TMP without the noise reduction. That Blu-Ray actually looks great and would've been ideal had they not filtered it with DNR. Remove it and make a solid Dolby Vision HDR pass and we ought to be cookin'.
Re: Star Trek I-IV on 4K UHD - September 7th
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:14 pm
Well here we go...like I said that 1-4 set is kind of a placeholder!
This will debut first on Paramount+ before heading to UHD.
Hopefully the effects work is done tastefully. I didn't like all of the FX alterations on the DVD myself.
This will debut first on Paramount+ before heading to UHD.
Hopefully the effects work is done tastefully. I didn't like all of the FX alterations on the DVD myself.
Re: Star Trek I-IV on 4K UHD - September 7th
Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:14 am
Surprised Paramount were actually willing to bankroll a 4K recreation of the Director's Edition.
I'm assuming they will just replicate all the f/x in UHD -- though I suspect that (unlike the TNG Blu-rays) they will just up-rez them in lieu of actually recreating them.AndyDursin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:14 pm Hopefully the effects work is done tastefully. I didn't like all of the FX alterations on the DVD myself.
Re: Star Trek I-IV on 4K UHD 9/7; Director's Edition to be Restored for 2022 Release
Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:52 am
I think they have to do some real work on it to make it feasible for 4K. Those effects weren't viable for HD upconversion so making the leap to 4K will require some real effort, which I assume the 6-8 months of production time is needed for.
Either way I hope they re-do those terrible "stairs to V'Gr" they added at the end of the movie. That alone was reason enough for me to stick with the theatrical version.
I guess I still don't understand why they felt the need to re-do the FX in the first place. The added footage is interesting and needed but what was so wrong with the special effects in the film? Most of them are terrific. Seeing modern CGI'd additions to the movie takes me out of it.
Maybe the UHD will enable you to choose a version with or without those enhancements, like the original TV series Blu-Rays do -- we'll see. Nothing has been formally announced outside the fact this is going to debut on Paramount+ first and be available only there for a time.
Either way I hope they re-do those terrible "stairs to V'Gr" they added at the end of the movie. That alone was reason enough for me to stick with the theatrical version.
I guess I still don't understand why they felt the need to re-do the FX in the first place. The added footage is interesting and needed but what was so wrong with the special effects in the film? Most of them are terrific. Seeing modern CGI'd additions to the movie takes me out of it.
Maybe the UHD will enable you to choose a version with or without those enhancements, like the original TV series Blu-Rays do -- we'll see. Nothing has been formally announced outside the fact this is going to debut on Paramount+ first and be available only there for a time.
Re: Star Trek I-IV on 4K UHD 9/7; Director's Edition to be Restored for 2022 Release
Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:54 am
Because "New" = "Better", of course, even when added to a 40+ year old movie w/soft-focus 70s lighting and shag haircuts.AndyDursin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:52 am I guess I don't understand why they felt the need to re-do the FX in the first place. The added footage is interesting and needed but what was so wrong with the special effects in the film? Most of them are terrific. Seeing modern CGI'd additions to the movie takes me out of it.
This is what always annoys me about movies that update the F/X after a few decades have elapsed...there are OTHER elements besides the F/X that will have dated in the interim (fashions, hairstyles, cultural attitudes), so by changing that one aspect while leaving the others unaltered, you create this weird, disconcerting neither-fish-nor-fowl hybrid. The 1997 Star Wars special editions were supposed to "upgrade" the OT to keep them more in-line with the kind of post-Jurassic Park visuals audiences were now accustomed to, and yet the first film, in particular, screams "1977' in terms of the lighting and hairstyles, so when CGI beasties walk through the background of shots, it never really connects.
Re: Star Trek I-IV on 4K UHD 9/7; Director's Edition to be Restored for 2022 Release
Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:02 pm
Standalone Blu-Rays -- presumably remastered too -- also coming on 9/21
ORIGINAL ARTWORK
ORIGINAL ARTWORK
Re: Star Trek I-IV on 4K UHD 9/7; Director's Edition to be Restored for 2022 Release
Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:51 pm
Isolated score on TMP --
STAR TREK: THE ORIGINAL 4 MOVIES 4K ULTRA HD/BLU-RAY COLLECTION
For the first time ever, experience the original four Star Trek films in stunning 4K Ultra HD. Newly remastered from original elements for optimal picture quality, each film is presented with Dolby Vision® and HDR-10.* This exceptional collection includes four Ultra HD discs, as well as four remastered Blu-ray discs with hours of previously released bonus content. Star Trek: The Motion Picture, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (both the theatrical and director’s cut), Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, and Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home are presented on both the 4K Ultra HD and Blu-ray Discs, along with access to digital copies of the theatrical version of each film. A detailed list of the disc contents follows:
Star Trek: The Motion Picture 4K Ultra HD
Isolated score in Dolby 2.0—NEW!
Commentary by Michael & Denise Okuda, Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens and Daren Dochterman
Star Trek: The Motion Picture Blu-ray
Isolated score in Dolby 2.0—NEW!
Commentary by Michael & Denise Okuda, Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens and Daren Dochterman
Library Computer (HD)
Production
The Longest Trek: Writing the Motion Picture (HD)
The Star Trek Universe
Special Star Trek Reunion (HD)
Starfleet Academy SCISEC Brief 001: The Mystery Behind V’ger
Deleted Scenes
Storyboards
Trailers (HD)
TV Spots
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan 4K Ultra HD
Commentary by Director Nicholas Meyer (Director's Cut and Theatrical Version)
Commentary by Director Nicholas Meyer and Manny Coto (Theatrical Version)
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan Blu-ray
Commentary by Director Nicholas Meyer (Director's Cut and Theatrical Version)
Commentary by Director Nicholas Meyer and Manny Coto (Theatrical Version)
Text Commentary by Michael and Denise Okuda (Director’s Cut)
Library Computer (HD)
Production
Captain’s Log
Designing Khan
Original Interviews with William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, DeForest Kelley, and Ricardo Montalbán
Where No Man Has Gone Before: The Visual Effects of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
James Horner: Composing Genesis (HD)
The Star Trek Universe
Collecting Star Trek’s Movie Relics (HD)
A Novel Approach
Starfleet Academy SCISEC Brief 002: Mystery Behind Ceti Alpha VI (HD)
Farewell
A Tribute to Ricardo Montalbán (HD)
Storyboards
Theatrical Trailer (HD)
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock 4K Ultra HD
Commentary by director Leonard Nimoy, writer/producer Harve Bennett, director of photography Charles Correll and Robin Curtis
Commentary by Ronald D. Moore and Michael Taylor
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock Blu-ray
Commentary by director Leonard Nimoy, writer/producer Harve Bennett, director of photography Charles Correll and Robin Curtis
Commentary by Ronald D. Moore and Michael Taylor
Library Computer (HD)
Production
Captain’s Log
Terraforming and the Prime Directive
Industry Light & Magic: The Visual Effects of Star Trek
Spock: The Early Years (HD)
The Star Trek Universe
Space Docks and Birds of Prey
Speaking Klingon
Klingon and Vulcan Costumes
Star Trek and the Science Fiction Museum and Hall of Fame (HD)
Starfleet Academy SCISEC Brief 003: Mystery Behind the Vulcan Katra Transfer
Photo Gallery
Production
The Movie
Storyboards
Theatrical Trailer (HD)
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home 4K Ultra HD
· Commentary by William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy
· Commentary by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home Blu-ray
· Commentary by William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy
· Commentary by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman
· Library Computer (HD)
· Production
Future’s Past: A Look Back
On Location
Dailies Deconstruction
Below-the-Line: Sound Design
Pavel Chekov’s Screen Moments (HD)
The Star Trek Universe
Time Travel: The Art of the Possible
The Language of Whales
A Vulcan Primer
Kirk’s Women
The Three-Picture Saga (HD)
Star Trek for a Cause (HD)
Starfleet Academy SCISEC Brief 004: The Whale Probe (HD)
Visual Effects
From Outer Space to the Ocean
The Bird of Prey
Original Interviews
Leonard Nimoy
William Shatner
DeForest Kelley
Tributes
Roddenberry Scrapbook
Featured Artist: Mark Lenard
Production Gallery
Storyboards
Theatrical Trailer (HD)
Re: Star Trek I-IV on 4K UHD 9/7; Director's Edition to be Restored for 2022 Release
Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:15 pm
This thread made me want to watch the theatrical cut today on blu-ray. First time in a long time I've sat through the whole thing. I can wait a few more years before seeing it again. My son drifted in and out. Too many long slow shots of flying through V-ger for him to take. At the end he said he didn't understand what was happening.
What always bothered me was how Kirk and everyone could view exterior shots of what V-ger was doing to the Klingons and the space station.
Without Goldsmith's score, you don't have much of a movie. The FX start out really weak (those matte lines around the Klingon ships at the start! The rear-projected people inside ships!), but get better as it goes on. My son thought the warp drive FX were cheesy.
Give me movies 2 and 6 any day.
What always bothered me was how Kirk and everyone could view exterior shots of what V-ger was doing to the Klingons and the space station.
Without Goldsmith's score, you don't have much of a movie. The FX start out really weak (those matte lines around the Klingon ships at the start! The rear-projected people inside ships!), but get better as it goes on. My son thought the warp drive FX were cheesy.
Give me movies 2 and 6 any day.
Re: Star Trek I-IV on 4K UHD 9/7; Director's Edition to be Restored for 2022 Release
Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:55 pm
As a side note, I haven't ventured to the Trek universe yet with Theo. I think he's a couple of years away from being able to appreciate it and would probably be bored with the old series right now (though I did start watching it when I was his age, 1st/2nd grade, probably because I had no other choices at 4pm on a weekday!).
Re: Star Trek I-IV on 4K UHD 9/7; Director's Edition to be Restored for 2022 Release
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 11:25 am
Follow-up with Theo - we watched SQUIRE OF GOTHOS, he seemed to think "it was okay" but didn't become bored during it. Wondering what other episodes would be good for kids, beyond the Tribbles.
On the 4K side, Paramount shipped me a review copy. The transfers are nice as expected -- grain restored, colors are definitely tweaked a little (Vulcan in TMP is much redder than the previous Blu-Ray). There is some evidence of what looks like frozen grain processing in some optical effects shots but that could be a situation where the higher resolution of 4K resulted in the shortcomings of the source materials (those effects shots had to be hastily compiled due to the movie not being completed until days before release).
If you don't have 4K, the Blu-Rays are all remastered and come from the same transfers so they have more grain and the newer color timing. The supplements are only on the Blu-Ray discs and are straight reprisals of the previous Blu-Ray extras.
On the 4K side, Paramount shipped me a review copy. The transfers are nice as expected -- grain restored, colors are definitely tweaked a little (Vulcan in TMP is much redder than the previous Blu-Ray). There is some evidence of what looks like frozen grain processing in some optical effects shots but that could be a situation where the higher resolution of 4K resulted in the shortcomings of the source materials (those effects shots had to be hastily compiled due to the movie not being completed until days before release).
If you don't have 4K, the Blu-Rays are all remastered and come from the same transfers so they have more grain and the newer color timing. The supplements are only on the Blu-Ray discs and are straight reprisals of the previous Blu-Ray extras.
Re: Star Trek I-IV on 4K UHD 9/7; Director's Edition to be Restored for 2022 Release
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 11:37 am
The effects all had to be done quickly -- as Robert Abel squandered millions on effects sequences which were never realized, so Dykstra and Tumbull had to save the day.
Agreed, that matte line is thick -- but the motion control effects shot where the camera turns and follows the Klingon ship -- while the perspective of the starfield moves in tandem -- was brilliant!
Rear projection inside of models was the only way to do it in those days. Certainly think it looked better than the shot of Arnold gazing through the train window in Total Recall -- 11 years later!