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-Welcome To Marwen (2018): 2/10

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Finally...Robert Zemeckis has a Toys to call his own. :o This is a CATASTROPHIC FAILURE on every conceivable level, the kind of film that can only come from a genuinely talented filmmaker allowed free reign to make anything he wants, and who basically comes up with the car that Homer Simpson designed that bankrupted his half-brother Herb's company. :lol:

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Mawkish, embarrassing, unintentionally funny, creepy...this is just astoundingly bad, and it's hard to imagine how Zemeckis came up with something so ill-conceived. It's the worst film from a dependable, gifted filmmaker since Alexander Payne's Downsizing, or maybe even Zack Snyder's Sucker Punch. Yeah, it's all technically well-made as you'd expect from Zemeckis, and Alan Silvestri's score is terrific (a mixture of melodic whimsy and buoyant faux-military marches in the best tradition of 1941 and Stripes), but it's dreadful, and watching it I was reacting like the cast, crew and audience viewing The Room at the film's premiere screening in The Disaster Artist, melting away from guarded optimism to bafflement to cringing Oh-My-GOD disbelief to cackles of unintended mirth. You have to SEE this thing for yourself.

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AndyDursin wrote: Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:14 pm Someone has hacked Paul's account, I am calling customer service!! :lol:
That was posted by the parallel universe me!

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mkaroly wrote: Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:53 pm I love the score for AZKABAN much more than the other two. Of the first three films, it was also my favorite. Enjoying the reviews!
Thanks!

And the story continues...

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (8/10)

This film is interesting as it is the first Harry Potter adventure that was made by a director who is actually English — and moreover one who attended boarding school himself. A lot of Mike Newell’s references to boarding school life may be lost on most audiences, but the film is nevertheless appealing, and while Newell retains some of the visual flair of Prisoner of Azkaban, his approach is a bit more restrained than Alfonso Cuaron's.

The Goblet of Fire is also a turning point in Rowling’s series at large, as it adopts a considerably darker tone in the harrowing climax, as Cedric Diggory is murdered, and Harry barely escapes from the clutches of Lord Voldemort (played to ruthless, sadistic perfection by Ralph Fiennes). Kudos also to Robert Pattinson in the role of Cedric, and David Tennant as Barty Crouch, jr. — both of whom deliver such convincing performances I was never once reminded of Twilight, or Doctor Who. Newcomer Katie Leung makes for an appealingly sweet Cho Chang, Harry's first crush.

The effects in Goblet of Fire are also excellent. Harry’s battle with the dragon is both thrilling and scary, with a level of realism that trumps most of the series previous effects sequences.



The only time this movie falters a bit is in the “lake” sequence, which I feel drags a bit — and is a little confusing. The Tri-Wizard Tournament is a perilous undertaking, which is why its contestants are all volunteers -- and upperclassmen. But why are Ron, Hermione, etc. put in danger to test Harry’s resolve and bravery? That’s doesn’t seem very fair (I suspect this is probably better-explained in the book — only half of which I read).

Cinematographer Roger Pratt returns for this film, though interestingly he retains aspects of Michael Seresin’s style (I can’t complain, seeing as Pratt and Seresin are my two favorite living directors of photgraphy). The color palette is more splashy than in any of the other films but it works beautifully (the later Potter movies would have done well to have adopted this same look). Pratt also adapts the lighting to suit the different moods of the film's myriad scenes -- something the subsequent Potter cameramen did not bother with so much. This is truly a gorgeously-shot film — in my estimation the best-looking of the entire series...



I suppose in a way it seemed "natural" that Patrick Doyle would become involve with a Harry Potter film at some point, seeing as he'd already worked with Alfonso Cuaron, Kenneth Branagh and Emma Thompson (and even Chris Columbus -- though his score for Stepmom was rejected, and ironically replaced with one by John Williams). In any case, Doyle’s music is adequate, but It doesn’t create much of a “magical aura” or bring anything special to the film. Apparently John Williams had intended to score Goblet of Fire, but presumably Munich got in the way. I can accept that Williams was not available, but why couldn’t Newell have re-teamed with Richard Rodney Bennett instead? (And what’s with that awful song over the end credits?).

Another change that I notice in this film (though it really began with Prisoner of Azkaban) is how the nostalgic, “Dickensian” charm of the Columbus movies (which very-much suited the Dickens influence in Rowling’s stories), is fading away, and the films are moving towards a more “Goth” aesthetic, and that’s a little disappointing.

Apart from its fantastical storyline and impressive visuals, this film is also compelling for the way it follows the students as they mature (and boys and girls start looking at each other differently) which makes The Goblet of Fire a story as much about growing up as it is a fantasy adventure. The school dance sequence eschews “magical” concerns altogether, and instead focuses entirely on teenage crushes — and jealousies — and proves a turning point for the way Ron and Hermione relate to each other. All of this keeps the characters and overall story arc very fresh and engaging.
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The Naked Face (1984) 5 of 10

The Holcroft Covenant (1985) 4 of 10

Two bargain Kino purchases I got to. I saw both of these movies on cable about 30 years ago. 1985-86 was when I got cable for the first time and these films were among those I first learned about through their airings on HBO/Showtime etc. and had no recollection of them ever being in theaters as both vanished quickly and were box office flops. "Naked Face" stars Roger Moore in between "Octopussy" and "A View To A Kill" and desperately trying to show he can play another kind of part. He's a timid Chicago psychiatrist who suddenly is dealing with a patient of his being killed (after he loaned him his coat), then his secretary and soon it's becoming clear he's the real target and he has no idea why. Meantime, Rod Steiger in full loud-mouth Method Bravado is an investigating detective who seems determined to pin the first two murders on Moore because he hates him from a past case they crossed paths on whereas Steiger's partner Elliott Gould is seemingly the "good cop" showing more sympathy to Moore. David Hedison, the only actor to play Felix Leiter in a Moore Bond film, is also in the cast as Moore's brother-in-law and Anne Archer is another patient in a role that soon takes on greater importance. Art Carney shows up and is pretty much wasted as a washed-up private eye Moore turns to in the later part of the film.

The film was shot on location in Chicago and was based on a Sidney Sheldon novel from the early 70s. While the location footage is great and it has an interesting cast, the plot line is very muddled and never seems to move. We get a lot of unexpected twists along the way that really don't make any sense (Steiger is ultimately not quite what he seems to be but the script never coherently develops this point). The film was produced by Golan-Globus, who gave us "Delta Force" and ultimately the cheapie "Superman IV" and their cheap production values beneath the veneer of big names in the cast starts to show through big time. The final "twist" at the end is a jolt and may seem like the breaking of old cliches, but ultimately it just further shows how muddled and uninspiring the storyline is.

"Holcroft Covenant" suffers from the same problem. A-list names with a B-level execution on all levels. Based on a very complex Robert Ludlum novel, we have Michael Caine (in a role James Caan bailed out on just as production began) as the American raised son of a former Nazi general who at the end of the war along with two other Nazis set up a covenant trust fund for their sons to come into to "undo the wrongs of the Third Reich" that Caine will be in charge of and amounts to 4 billion dollars, but which is really intended to fund the rise of an eventual Nazi revival. John Frankenheimer directs and George Axelrod did the screenplay and it's impossible to believe these were the guys responsible for "The Manchurian Candidate" since they serve up a film that just plods along and plods along and is totally muddled (even as they were working hard as Frankenheimer says in his audio commentary to try and make Ludlum's complex story cinematically coherent!) Not only that, the film suffers from Frankenheimer's narcissistic obession with distracting set pieces like a made-up Berlin chase scene through a pornographic street fair full of drag queens and topless women that is even more distracting than the too long grape-stomping orgy scene in "Seconds". It's frankly hypocritical for Frankenheimer to boast as he does in the commentary about how oh-so-wonderfully restrained he is when it comes to showing violence on-screen and then serves up this piece of crap that guaranteed the film an R rating just the same and no doubt further contributed to its failure to find an audience. Indeed, Frankenheimer totally fails to acknowledge the film was a flop and engages in no critical self-examination of what he might have done wrong. Listening to him, you'd think this was one of his masterpieces!

I'll get in another shot at this film by calling out the awful performance of leading lady Victoria Tennant. I mentioned a couple years ago in my review of "Winds Of War" how I found her to be a totally off-putting presence and she's if anything worse here. Faring best in a role that isn't as well-developed as it could have been is Lilli Palmer as Caine's mother. This was her next to last film role and she still looks amazingly attractive for her age even though she sadly died less than a year after this film came and went without a trace.

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Happy Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (7/10)

As a narrative J.K. Rowling’s story has no shortage of imagination, but as a film, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix is considerably more limited in scope than the previous movies, plus it doesn't feel like there is a distinctive “point of view” driving the movie. Director David Yates approaches the material (unsurprisingly) like a television director, whose job is to “keep things moving” rather than impose an interpretive vision.

Moreover, much of that “sense of wonder” which pervaded Hogwarts in the early films is missing. Hogwarts itself is arguably the most interesting “character” in Rowling’s stories — a massive, ancient construct with endless hidden passages, secret vaults, moving staircases, magic mirrors, copious ghosts, etc., etc. Yates’ Hogwarts is, well, kind of boring. Other than the “Room of Requirement” there is no sense of mystery about the school in this film. Columbus gave us caroling spirits and animate chocolate frogs, and Cuaron contributed verbose shrunken heads and those "change of seasons" interludes with the Whomping Willow. Yes, these were “throwaway” ideas, but they added a lot of charm and character to the school (and the movies overall). Such details don’t appear to be Yates’ concern (if they cross his mind at all). He is focused on the main drama at hand — which is good — but there’s nothing to see on the periphery. Stuart Craig's set designs continue to impress, but Yates doesn't capture or embellish them in an arresting way, and there is a real sterility to the overall look and feel of the film...


A trial at the Ministry of Magic in The Goblet of Fire:

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A trial at the Ministry of Magic in The Order of the Phoenix:

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Slowimir Idziak’s photography is solid and interesting, but considerably less-dazzling than the work of Roger Pratt, Michael Seresin and even John Seale (and likewise contributes to the "less-than-special" quality of the film).

But this not to say the picture is at all bad. Rowling weaves another clever yarn, which advances the larger story arc, and has plenty of memorable moments, while the cast and characters are persistently compelling. Harry’s secret classes where he teaches defense techniques are wonderful, as we see all the students hone their abilities — particularly Neville Longbottom, who, despite being a supporting role, has one of the most interesting character arcs in Rowling’s saga. Harry's relationship with Sirius Black develops further in this story (only to be tragically cut short at the climax).

I’ve always been a fan of Imelda Staunton, who is brilliantly despicable in the role of a Professor Umbridge — a woman with an outwardly “sweet” demeanor which masks a condescending, twisted sadist within. We’ve all known that type of patronizing “matriarchal” authority figure in our youth, and Staunton plays her to the hilt with caustic relish. This film also introduces us to Luna Lovegood, an endearingly sweet eccentric, who cheerfully takes it in stride when she is hazed and poked-fun at (and possesses an uncanny ability to see things overlooked by most others).

And while Yates’ visual style may not be very interesting, he is skilled in extracting performances, and handles intimate character interactions with wonderful sensitivity — in particular Harry and Cho’s kiss, and later Harry’s conversation with Neville. There are also some subtle character details which are are easily overlooked on first viewing — such as Ginny Weasley’s look of dejection whenever Harry’s interest in Cho Chang is mentioned. Yate's handling of the film's climactic action sequence is also exciting and well-executed.

Some things are confusing -- like the muggle woman who lives in Harry's neighborhood that has been assigned to watch over him. What is her relationship to the magical world? How does she know Professor Dumbledore? The book makes this clear; the film not so much. Also, the depiction of Harry's angst sometimes seems a little out-of-place and forced in its attempt to be "edgy" (as when he screams "Look at me!" at Dumbledore).

John Williams is still sorely missed, but I rate Nicholas Hooper’s score as superior to Patrick Doyle’s. While Hooper doesn’t incorporate any of Williams’ motifs (other than "Hedwig's Theme") into his score, he does strive to acknowledge the style of Williams’ previous music (with the emphasis on the celeste, and the avant garde writing and shrill voices for the dementors). Hooper’s theme for Professor Umbridge is also exceptionally good — and respectably Williams-esque. That said, I find much of his score a bit light and “fluffy”, and lacking in bold statements and dramatic weight.

This film also makes far-less use of music than the Williams-scored pictures did. Overall, the amount of music in each Potter movie seems to diminish as time goes-on. Sorcerer's Stone has the most music, Prisoner of Azkaban and Goblet of Fire somewhat less, and Order of the Phoenix is even more sparsely scored. Williams' scores -- particularly in the original film -- were a foreground part of the overall experience; music in the later movies almost seems to be a "necessary evil".

David Yates acknowledges and absorbs the stylistic contributions of his predecessors, and does a solid job -- he's a good director -- but he doesn't bring anything original or visually provocative to the table. This, combined with the fact we are now well along in the Harry Potter series, gives the film an unceremonious “this week’s episode” feel.

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#3470 Post by BobaMike »

Order of the Phoenix was where I lost all interest in the Potter universe. I loved the first 4, but after this they didn't seem very special, and they made less and less sense as they went on. The sets and music were lifeless and everyone just seemed so miserable.

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I second that. I think it was the following installment where I nodded off...very convoluted storytelling that was primarily designed to placate fans of the books by "being faithful" more than compelling cinema. I passed on going to see the last two theatrically for that reason, and I agree there is little to speak of in terms of their production design or direction thats remarkable. They are also very very slow going.

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I am a fan of the books, and hold great affection for the characters, but I can't blame you guys for coming away from films 5 and 6 with the feelings you have. I do like them, but they are a low ebb in the movie series.

Further on this topic...

Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (7/10)

The Harry Potter movies started taking a darker turn with Prisoner of Azkaban — and now descend much further into darkness with this film, which climaxes with the death of a major character. That Rowling's books grow darker is fine -- actually it is a virtue, as the books appear to be cleverly designed to mature with the reader. David Yates' approach to this particular story however seems at times excessively morose.

This is an even more “interior” film than The Order of the Phoenix, with few large-scale set pieces, and as a result is the smallest in scope of all the movies so far. Its primary strength lies in the depiction of the story's non-magical plot elements, which follow the lead characters as they the negotiate the onslaught of bittersweet romances as young adults (with love potions complicating these matters even further). Indeed one of the more captivating aspects of this film is how it has the viewer wondering who will wind-up with whom. Daniel Radcliffe has a genuine chemistry with Bonnie Wright and all of their scenes have a touching luminosity.

Jim Broadbent is terrific in the role of Professor Slughorm; that said, I do wish a bit that another actor had been cast — Jim Broadbent is great, but he's been in so many things (and he was already Professor Kirk in The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe).

Dumbledore, hitherto a juggernaut of magical ability and impossible to outsmart, now falters in uncertainty and exhibits weakness. It is a troubling but highly-effective development in his character arc, and contributes to the sense of creeping doom which now pervades the stories. However, the script (again) does not address some reasonable questions a viewer unfamiliar with the book might have — like how and why is Professor Snape the titular “Half-Blood Prince”? Is he half-muggle? Is he literally a “prince” or is that a figurative term?

This is also the least-attractive looking of all the Potter films. Cinematographer Bruno Delbonnel goes for a very minimalist lighting style, in which every scene is is either lit with in an intense, “burnished amber” hue, tinted an ugly green or simply relegated to a drab (almost monochromatic) color palette…

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The photographic approach is not without effectiveness, but it is mostly cheerless and "unmagical". I understand the the need to reflect the story's atmosphere of dread -- but the film could accomplish this without being a two-hour eyesore. Besides, the lack variety in the lighting simply gets boring after a while. (Ironically, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince was the only Potter film whose photography got an Oscar nomination.)

On a more "atmospheric" level, Hogwarts is an increasingly austere environment, where all the enchanted embellishments of earlier Potter movies -- ghosts, sweets with magical properties, floating library books, owls delivering mail, magical hobbies and other touches which made Hogwarts someplace the viewer longed to inhabit -- are simply gone (many of these things are still in the book, but not the movie).

Yates' greatest strength is in the moments of character intimacy, which he handles with delicate effectiveness — in particular the growing affection between Harry and Ginny, and Hermione and Ron (whose relationship is a slightly harder sell). Draco Malfoy’s character arc is also effectively depicted in this film, as he evolves from spoiled brat to reluctant assassin — and his hesitance to embrace the “dark side” suggests there may be hope for him. On the other hand, the tragic climax of the film personally left me a bit cold. It is morose, but not as horrific and devastating as it should be -- mostly due to the lackluster and emotionally-sedate way it is scored.

Further on the music, at this point I really have to start carping. While I respect Nicholas Hooper (who is talented and does a good job), his scores -- and Doyle's score -- are not what you'd call outstanding. There is only one John Williams of course, but there are a lot of people who are far-more talented who could have been given the job. And when you consider all of the amazingly talented composers working in Britain at the time — with impressive credits, like Trevor Jones, George Fenton, Rachel Portman, etc. — it’s a head-scratcher that Hooper got the job. Even if Warner’s was trying to save money by recruiting someone from the "telly”, they seriously felt Hooper was a better choice than people like Carl Davis, Patrick Gowers or Richard Harvey?

But also, John Williams' music for the original film was a vital component in telling the story, and a huge factor in the film's overall character. By this point, the use of music in the Potter films is avoided as much as possible. Yates of course is a product of British television, where music usage tends to be minimal (and stylistically streamlined), and it appears his views on scoring have been ported over from that medium. This too makes Half-Blood Price feel "smaller" than the previous movies.

All things considered, David Yates is an excellent director of actors, with an expert faculty for visual storytelling. I think the problem here as the he just isn't suited to the fantasy genre. It often seems to me that his approach to Harry Potter is to consciously avoid the fanciful as much as possible, as if this will somehow make the story "more believable". But the lack of nostalgic, fairy tale charm, blended with the decidedly smaller scale of this film, render this the least-appealing of all the Potter movies. But for the presence of the same cast, this could almost be a "direct-to-video" sequel.
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I think the Half Blood Prince was the one were I was annoyed because I wanted Harry to end up with Hermione. (no, I never read the books, so up until this movie I had assumed the film series was setting the two of them up).

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I lost interest in the series after GOBLET...I felt the films were leaving a lot of narrative from the books out. I only read through Goblet of Fire and lost interest in reading the books, so I can't prove what I am saying above. I felt HALF BLOOD PRINCE was the worst of the lot...I don't remember why, but I remember thinking only someone who has read the book would know all the gaps there seemed to be in the film narrative. That is probably unfair, but I only saw the movies after AZKABAN once with no desire to view them again. I did think the last film of the series in both parts was decent though.

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BobaMike wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:21 pm I think the Half Blood Prince was the one were I was annoyed because I wanted Harry to end up with Hermione. (no, I never read the books, so up until this movie I had assumed the film series was setting the two of them up).
I actually like that they didn't hook up. It's such a cliche of film and television to have a male/female partnership have to blossom into a physical relationship over time that I'm glad Rowling avoided it.

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Didnt Rowling even admit that it was a mistake??

https://www.bustle.com/p/hermione-harry ... es-8181448

This had a DAWSONS CREEK kind of feel to it, like they were just keeping the characters apart to toy with the audience's expectations.

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I just appreciated seeing a truly platonic adolescent friendship that didn't get mucked up by hormones in the long run. Then again, the whole outta-nowhere "Harry suddenly 'notices' Ginny" plot smacked of a related relationship cliché, which I've always thought of as "Even the Stinky Guy gets a girlfriend" (inspired by a fairly ridiculous moment in The Perfect Storm), where, if a movie, TV or book series has a love triangle where one person is bound to be unhappy when the other two get together, they introduce a minor supporting character who is there just to pick up the pieces and assure the audience that the rebuffed member of the triangle will find happiness with someone else. A good example is the 1986 movie Lucas, where Corey Haim is crushing on Kerri Green, but she's crushing on Charlie Sheen, and when the two of them hook up, there's Winona Ryder on the sidelines who's obviously going to be the "consolation prize" girlfriend for Haim's character.

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Indeed, or the end of PRETTY IN PINK where Kristy Swanson shows up.

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AndyDursin wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:04 pm Indeed, or the end of PRETTY IN PINK where Kristy Swanson shows up.
All-time most absurd example: The last Twilight movie, where Taylor Lautner falls instantly in love with an INFANT just so Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson can boink each other guilt-free. :shock:

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