Tim Robbins: Society "Phasing Out Common Meeting Place"

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Tim Robbins: Society "Phasing Out Common Meeting Place"

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Great interview with Tim Robbins -- clearly he has, like so many others, seen the light.

There are so many outstanding points here that I'd just recommend to read the entire interview about how he changed his mind about COVID restrictions and how it has destroyed not just the arts but the public "gathering place" as he put it altogether.

Sadly, there need to be more like him fighting for his industry -- too many of them are silent.

Here's a sample from the conversation which you can find here:

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/tim-robbi ... medium=web
Tim Robbins: Listen, Matt, if you told me 20 years ago that there would be no video stores where you could talk to a clerk and see what that person might be recommending, or no record stores where you could go see what’s new in music, or no bookstores in most towns, I would’ve told you you were crazy. But we’re here. This is part of a larger movement away from the gathering place.

Theaters are failing, and movie theaters are not doing so well. Any form of gathering place other than a bar has pretty much been hurting. You know, it’s no surprise to me how well sports have been doing during this whole period. Stadiums are packed, because people need community.

I’ve always thought of baseball as a place where I can go and get away from the politics and just sit and high-five some dude that might have voted for someone I don’t like. That’s important.
Also:
I’m trying to understand why we’re in the situation we’re in, socially, with each other. That’s what concerns me the most. I believe that if the vaccine helps you, that’s great. But, I have kind of a hard line on freedom. You can’t over-regulate people’s lives. I don’t know what that makes me, what label that puts on me, but I am an absolutist on freedom.

I’ve done a lot of work in organizing and in protest movements and in building coalitions. Community building is always about an organizer walking into the room and knowing that the people in this room do not agree on everything. But I, as an organizer, have to find the linchpin, find the common thread. And when I find that, I’m going to build the movement around that.

What I’ve been seeing over the past few years has been the opposite of that. It’s going into a room and saying, “You don’t have the right to speak because you don’t agree with our way of thinking.” Or it’s, “You’re an idiot for thinking this or that. Shut up. Get your vaccination.”

You’re not going to build any movement that way. All you’ll do is alienate people. And whether it’s organizing around social justice or criminal justice reform or creating more equity — all legitimate important things that need to be done — organizers who know how to do it don’t create division. They don’t cancel people. Because once you’ve done that, you’ve lost those people forever. You’re not getting them back.
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These last few years, they’ve taught me so much, about what is right, what is wrong. There’s so much empowerment of people that feel that they are being incredibly virtuous and generous, yet are doing things that are not very kind to other people. I think we’ve lost ourselves during this time. Just a brief stroll through social media and you’ll find that out. (laughs) The internet has become like a bar that you go to, and you open the door, and everyone yells, “**** you! Get out!”

Matt Taibbi: (laughs) I’m vaguely familiar…

Tim Robbins: It’s amazing. It’s taught me a lot about human nature, about how easy it is for people to turn on other people, and that when people do things that are destructive to other people, they often think they’re being virtuous. It’s been that way throughout history.

That’s something I already knew as a writer. When you’re making a character, you try not to make it all black and white, good and evil. I really understood much more profoundly what happens with the turn, how people turn. You go from someone that is inclusive, altruistic, generous, empathetic, to a monster. Where you want to freeze people’s bank accounts because they disagree with you. That’s a dangerous thing. That’s a dangerous world that we’ve created. And I say ‘we,’ because I was part of that. I bought into that whole idea early on.
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That was a great read. Robbins is right in mourning the places like-minded people used to gather and enjoy things as a group. Bookstores, brick & mortar media stores, video stores, movie theaters...all were hurting even prior to 2020, but the Scamdemic knocked the legs out from all of them, and many will never recover. I used to stop at Best Buy to check out their selection of movies on an almost weekly basis, and while their selection had shrunk down considerably from the early-00s heyday of the DVD format (when their movie section sprawled voluptuously across what seemed like 3/4ths of the available floor space), even up until 2019 I could still find a good deal more often than not, and have the ability to choose copies of movies with the best slipcovers, or the undinged steelbooks. Roll on 2020, and even when I was finally able to physically enter BB in the fall of that year, the media section had been GUTTED down to the bare minimum. My store recently finished a remodelling, and when I went in a few weeks back, for the first time in over six months, I was horrified to discover no movies for sale AT ALL. :shock: Not even a token "New Release" rack (the old one was half-filled with video games, despite a banner still advertising the blu/UHD release of The Batman).

It's incredibly sad. A decade ago, I could still shop at stores like BB, FYE, Newbury Comics, Barnes & Noble, ect., and get decent deals. There were also places to SELL movies I no longer wanted, or had upgraded to Blu from DVD. Now I have boxes and boxes of Blu movies I've upgraded to 4K, and nowhere to unload them. The Newbury Comics in Boston stopped taking used movies and CDs last year, and if the one in the next town does the same, I'm royally screwed. I've had moderate success selling movies to a co-worker, and some people on Twitter bought some off of me, but it's still stuff that's just sitting there.

And I know I can just have anything I want delivered right to me door, but how many films from even the specialty labels arrive with the discs scratched to sh!t, or with that gross residue inside of the cases, or with slipcovers that look like they went through a thresher? You used to be able to pick and choose the best copy, but now no one can kick the tires of their purchase.

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The sense of community Robbins talks about is what I really responded to. Sports is still doing great -- and it always will, because it's the one place that the pandemic was unable to destroy. People have a hunger for sports, a passion for it, and fans want to watch a game TOGETHER. We used to want to go to a play together, to the store together -- now all of that sense of community has eroded because of COVID and "well intentioned" people who have become positive fanatics about COVID restrictions.

We can get it back if we work on it but it's going to take more former libs like Robbins to make a stand in the industry and tell everyone, like he does at the end of this conversation, that he was wrong. That he admits what he was doing ended up hurting people -- and that freedom is something to be cherished, a given RIGHT in this country that too many people have taken away from us since 2020.

That he can also see how the left wing has become the very thing it used to fight against is also SO spot on. Back in the 80s it was the "moral majority" and others trying to censor music. Now it's a fanatical left wing trying to censor speech and stifle freedom. That they were able to get away with as much as they did is so painful to me, it's one of the greatest shames in this nation's history.
Now I have boxes and boxes of Blu movies I've upgraded to 4K, and nowhere to unload them.
If you're looking for an online spot and exhausted all your local options, eaglesaver.com is legitimate and I've used them a few times recently. Not sure how much "well-traveled" consumer discs will go for, but the app works well and it gives you a free Fedex shipping label.

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AndyDursin wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:42 pm We can get it back if we work on it but it's going to take more former libs like Robbins to make a stand in the industry and tell everyone, like he does at the end of this conversation, that he was wrong. That he admits what he was doing ended up hurting people -- and that freedom is something to be cherished, a given RIGHT in this country that too many people have taken away from us since 2020.
When I look back at my posts from 2020, I'm DEEPLY ashamed of how badly I fell for the whole "It's the people ducking the vaccine/refusing the mask up who are dragging this Pandemic out...!" thing. :oops: And this is EXACTLY what the government was encouraging, to make scared people turn on each other and rat out people questioning the uselessness of masks or putting a untested, rushed-to-market vaccine into their bodies unless they wanted to get fired from their jobs or locked out of public venues. :x Go back and watch any "Public Freakout" video published on YouTube for the first year of the shutdowns, and anyone daring to push back against enforced masking was piloried as a "Karen" and sometimes those videos led to people getting fired from their jobs when they went viral.



I know for a fact that this guy - who was only responding to some idiot following him around and demanding that he put on a mask - got fired from whatever his job was. Do you think, now that it's official that masks and the vaccine did absolutely nothing against halting the spread of Covid, he's gonna get re-hired and given back all of the salary he was denied and a public apology? Of course not. :? Decades from now, people will look back at these "Karen" videos and be aghast that Americans turned on each other so violently, based on "science".
If you're looking for an online spot and exhausted all your local options, eaglesaver.com is legitimate and I've used them a few times recently. Not sure how much "well-traveled" consumer discs will go for, but the app works well and it gives you a free Fedex shipping label.
Eh, I take good care of my movies, so they're not the usual "scratched to hell" discs you usually find in used shops. I may give that a shot. :)

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That's not what I meant, I am sure there isn't a scratch on anything you own lol. More that if it's a widely available retail title then it's probably not worth more than a couple of dollars (if that). But it's worth giving a shot 8)

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Anyways, my co-worker is gonna buy the old Scream Factory Blus of The Howling, Black Christmas and Piranha (steelbook) off of me for a combined $20 later this week (I've upgraded to 4K on all three), so there's that. :)

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