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#46 Post by DavidBanner »

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Having worked with several people who were on that shoot, and having researched all the available materials, I am amazed that the prosecutor bungled such an obvious case.


Wow...I don't suppose you could furnish us with details could you? I mean, not to sound like a ghoul, but the reports around that incident were so convoluted.

Most of what I've learned I picked up from the two books on the subject, SPECIAL EFFECTS and OUTRAGEOUS CONDUCT, along with a telling 1984 LA Weekly article by Gary Goodrich on the matter. (That Weekly article, by the way, was infamously the cause of a full-page retraction that reeks today of them bowing to pressure from some of the paper's backers at the time. This was a real shame, because the LA Weekly was the best paper going in Los Angeles through the 1980's and is barely a shadow of its former self today. Also, when seen today, Goodrich's original article holds up in terms of the testimony given and the physical evidence, while the retraction doesn't.)

The simple truth is that the events at Indian Dunes were completely avoidable and criminal negligence was evident. Essentially, John Landis had written a new ending to his segment of the movie, which focused on the bigotry of its main character, played by Vic Morrow. As originally scripted, the character winds up as we see in the finished film - trucked off to the concentration camp. This ending didn't sit well with higher-ups, so Landis wrote a bigger ending where Morrow's character would find redemption by rescuing two Vietnamese kids when their village gets destroyed by a nighttime helicopter attack.

There was a safe way to have done the scene, but Landis and his production team chose not to use it because it would have taken more time and cost more money. He was determined to complete his segment on schedule and on budget, and he wanted as much production value on screen as he could get. The scene called for Morrow's character to cross a shallow river, carrying the two kids, as a helicopter hovered overhead and the village exploded around them. If you wanted to do this safely, the proper method would be to film Morrow and the kids in a water tank set on a stage with everything blacked in. You put Morrow and the kids in the shallow water, you turn on wind machines and flash stage lights to simulate explosions, and you get any closeups you can with the kids while on the stage, including any interior shack or tent stuff. Then you go out to Indian Dunes, get some early evening shots with Morrow and the kids, again without any explosions or helicopter, to tie them in with the big bang shots. You then send the cast away and complete the work with a trained stunt team, filming separate passes with the helicopter coming in with lighting effects but not explosions, and with explosions in the village, but no helicopter in the immediate area. And with any of these shots, you use a stuntman for Morrow's character holding two dummies in the water. Cut it together and viola, one major finale for your movie.

Landis rejected this idea because he wanted to get the whole thing in a single shot, with something like 8 cameras rolling. (The footage they shot later got used in the trial as evidence against him.) Landis wanted to see that it was really Morrow and the kids underneath the helicopter, and he wanted to be able to shoot the close-ups and the wide shot at the same time, which would save time and make it easy to match everything in the editing room.

Unfortunately, this also meant he would have to break the law, since nobody would grant the hiring of minor children to work near explosives and a helicopter, particularly as the scene would be a night shoot and would go past midnight in the middle of the week. So Landis and his team avoided the usual sources and found a pair of Chinese families in Los Angeles who would allow their kids to be used on the set for this scene. The parents later testified that they didn't understand much English and didn't understand the danger. They only knew this was going through a friend of their family and that they would be paid cash under the table for bringing their kids to be in the movie. Things got even uglier in this matter when the assistant directors on the set realized that one of the fire safety men at Indian Dunes, Jack Tice, was also an accredited studio teacher. So they sent Tice to the farthest point away from the set and referred to the kids over their walkie talkies as "the Vietnamese". Tice stated in court and to me personally that if he had known what was going on, he would have shut the situation down.

You can surmise what happened when the real actor was placed in a real river below a real hovering helicopter near real explosions at 230 AM. Landis' defense team tried to deny this, but the evidence pretty much shows that a piece of one of the village huts blew up into the tail rotor of the helicopter, causing the crash and the deaths.

The subsequent trial only named Landis, producer George Folsey, production manager Dan Allingham, special effects man Paul Stewart and helicopter pilot Dorcey Wingo. The two books about the trial show the prosecutor completely blowing the case both by failing to properly refute the more ridiculous defense claims (like delamination of the rotor blades!) and by grandstanding against Landis to the point that the jury began to feel sorry for him. In the end, Landis and the other defendants walked away. Landis continues to make films with Folsey and Allingham, although nowhere near the level he did at his career peak. Stewart and Wingo's careers were ruined, as were several others who testified against Landis at trial.

There has been speculation over the years whether Steven Spielberg or Frank Marshall knew about the situation, but nothing was ever proven one way or the other. (Frank Marshall acted very strangely about it, though - he avoided attempts to subpoena his testimony by leaving the country to go to Sri Lanka to scout the next Indiana Jones film.) Before this incident, Spielberg and Landis had been friends, and had made appearances in each other's movies. After the tragedy, Spielberg distanced himself from Landis.

From my research, I have concluded that the parties responsible for the deaths at Indian Dunes were Landis, Folsey, Allingham and the assistant directors on the set. I understand why the prosecutor included the effects man who supervised the explosives and the helicopter pilot who flew into them, but I don't see their culpability beyond trusting that Landis and the producers knew what they were doing. My understanding is that safety meetings were held on the set before the explosion and helicopter shots, but those meetings did not include discussion of the children being exposed to the situation. The people who dressed and made up the kids knew they would be on the set, but NOT UNDERNEATH THE HELICOPTER. I believe that the only people on the set who knew what was actually happening were Landis, Folsey, Allingham, Elie Cohn (the first assistant director), Andy House (the second assistant director) and Hilary Leach (the DGA trainee). I excuse Leach from responsibility as she was very green in the business at the time and had no idea of the big picture - she knew she was not to refer to the children over the radio, and she knew something was up, but didn't know how to put it together. The AD's on the other knew exactly what was happening, even to the point of both of them trying to suggest another, safer way to do the shot. When this was barred, they had options - they could have made an anonymous safety call, they could have pulled the kids off the set, they could have told Jack Tice, they could have walked. In the end, they went along with Landis, and we know the result.

Sorry for the long sidebar in this thread, but this is a matter that directly concerns the work I do in the business, and it is one that continues to haunt the business to this day.

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#47 Post by AndyDursin »

OUTRAGEOUS CONDUCT, as David mentioned, outlines it fully. I picked up a copy after I interviewed Landis a couple of years ago, it's a little dry but makes for fascinating reading.

I love Goldsmith's score for TWILIGHT ZONE but that movie is much worse, I feel, than people seem to remember it being (there's been a movement to get it on DVD, and after seeing it recently, I wonder how many will be disappointed once they revisit it). And it's especially poor considering the talent involved. The Spielberg segment is way too saccharine, the Landis segment is completely flaccid, the Dante segment is almost unwatchable for me, and the Miller segment -- while easily the best -- is ruined by a reprise of that awful introduction with Aykroyd and Brooks.

Add in what happened with Morrow and the children (there was a link to the actual footage on Youtube not that long ago) and it really leaves a very sour taste...which is why I prefer to hear Goldsmith's score on its own, far apart from the movie.

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#48 Post by Paul MacLean »

This reminds me...on my first PA job, I was assigned during a night shoot at Universal to remain by a water hose (they were hosing-down the set), and to turn-off the water when the 2nd AD called me on my walkie.

The only problem was that the hose was leaking water all over the place -- and running right alongside a thick electrical cable powering the lights on-set.

I thought to myself "I don't like the look of this..." but I had my orders. When the 2nd AD called and said "switch it off" I reached to turn the water off...and got a slight shock! Fortunately when I called the AD and explained, she was like "Okay, don't touch it! We'll send one of the gaffers over there!"

But still...had they been less responsible, I could have been electrocuted. I have a feeling the Twilight Zone rule-bending was the norm rather than the exception. And I wonder how many near-fatalities occur all the time.

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#49 Post by Eric Paddon »

The TZ movie I will agree is dreadful. Even the last segment, hailed as the best is weak because unlike the original TV episode, there's no point to it. Shatner played a man just out of a mental institution trying to recover his health and his seeing the gremlin also tied into his raging question of whether he was losing his sanity again. Like Zircee's book said, his trip in the TZ was for a reason, compared to Lithgow.

I haven't read the books on the Landis trial but I always got the feeling that he got off scot-free when he shouldn't have.

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#50 Post by TomServo »

I was quite happy when both UNDER FIRE and TWILIGHT ZONE were issued on CD from Warners several years back, I had not owned either up until then and both are among my fav Goldsmith scores (of which there are many!). As for the TZ movie, I never saw it all, remember only bits and will simply enjoy the score on its own. It is an eternal mystery how Goldsmith actually had to find inspiration in such utter crap...

Anyway, back to Trek for a moment and the comment that there has been no good Trek for 15 years - I must be the only one who felt that DEEP SPACE NINE was a bold, daring and worthy addition to the Trek legacy. TNG is still my favorite series, but DS9 really upped the ante for action, story and character in the Trek universe. Those massive battles with the Dominion were seriously amazing for small screen FX...

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#51 Post by DavidBanner »

To answer Paul - my experience is that most sets are actually pretty safe. There are occasional accidents, but on any set that I've worked, if one of us smells something burning, or sees a potential problem like you raised, we get an electrician on it or take care of it.

On my last show, we needed to work with a helicopter for a single scene. I coordinated with the pilot (who took off from Whiteman Airport), the ground coordinator (who stayed in contact with the pilot as he flew to us), the fire safety man on the set, as well as our production manager and first assistant director. After all my worrying about the shot, I saw the chopper fly into the area, circle our set, and land as directed a safe distance away. I noted that the first AD had the PA's on set keeping everyone about 75 yards away from the helicopter. When I came in to check on everyone's safety, the fire safety guy, the coordinator, the pilot and everyone else shooed me back out as they had already made the set and the helicopter safe - the issue at hand was how to get the shot the director wanted without kicking up too much dust. They basically told me very politely to let them do their jobs and stay out of the way... and we got the shot and the helicopter flew back to the airport. That's pretty much how you would want such a scene to be filmed, and this is standard procedure on any set I've ever worked.

I agree with Eric that the George Miller segment lacks the point of the original episode. But as a simple action piece along the lines of the chases in the first two Mad Max movies, the segment easily stands out in the movie as a tour de force of directing by Miller and acting by Lithgow. Back in the day, George Miller was a truly solid action director - it's a shame he hasn't really done much with that since then. I should also note that while John Landis walked away from the criminal trial when there should have been a stiff penalty, he has paid a different price over the years. His career nose-dived after "Coming to America", and his reputation in Hollywood became that of a man who got his lead actor and two children killed. Any time I've been on a set and safety has been discussed, Landis' name has been raised in disgust. He has essentially become a symbol for criminal negligence in Hollywood.

I agree with Tom Servo that Star Trek DS9 had its moments here and there. (I noted that the succeeding shows after TNG had flashes of brilliance, but they got progressively weaker the more Rick Berman and company went back to the well.) DS9 certainly had some good shows over its lifetime, but I personally found a lot of the mythology of the series to be quite stilted. DS9 for me was at its best when it dealt with personal stories. ("Necessary Evil" is one that really stood out for me in this respect) But it must be noted that DS9 was happening in the shadow of Babylon 5, which handled the big mythological arcs a lot more effectively. (I won't take sides here on whether Berman and company based their series on B5, but the timing was certainly interesting.) DS9 also tried to reinvent itself at least 3 times. First it was a show about Bajor and the wormhole. Then it was a show about the new Dominion enemy (which we were told would be revealed gradually like peeling the layers of an onion). Then they started the 3rd season by establishing the whole idea of the changeling race (which robbed them of what would have been a good season-long arc for Odo). Then they decided it was time for a Klingon war and spent their 4th year on that idea. Then they decided to stop that story and go back to the Dominion. Then, once they started the conflict, they spent their final two seasons on it. For the final couple of years, they seemed to have a stronger grasp on their overall story, but the earlier seasons really felt like they were throwing stuff at the wall to see what would stick. And I have to confess I always felt that Avery Brooks was really stiff in the lead role - he's a good actor, but I never felt he was comfortable playing this part.

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#52 Post by Edmund Kattak »

AndyDursin wrote:I...in spite of some problems (like Laurence Luckinbill's "modulated for the stage" performance, lol).
..And the inconsistency of his Vulcan ears. In once scene, an ear looked like it was bent a little after a night's sleep. Looks like he rolled out of bed.

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#53 Post by Paul MacLean »

Edmund Kattak wrote:
AndyDursin wrote:I...in spite of some problems (like Laurence Luckinbill's "modulated for the stage" performance, lol).
..And the inconsistency of his Vulcan ears. In once scene, an ear looked like it was bent a little after a night's sleep. Looks like he rolled out of bed.
Perhaps that was his "secret pain"! :lol:

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#54 Post by Edmund Kattak »

Paul MacLean wrote: Perhaps that was his "secret pain"! :lol:
Or Ours...:)

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:mrgreen: 3 topics, one reply. Here goes:

a) STAR TREK movies-ranking:
1) STAR TREK II-neat, economical (was originally planned as a 2-hour TV movie but changed to theatrical when the studio saw the rushes and authorized a bit more money, Panavision and better SFX with ILM) and emotional. Shatner showed what he can really do as an actor with the finale if given the right material and guidance. By the way, the college I was attending had a newspaper which made a typo in the ad when the film opened. They referred to it as "The Rap of Khan." Our little circle had a lot of fun with that for a while, and one-referring to Montalban's previous work-called it "The Wrath of Roarke."

2) TMP-loved this movie even in its original, rough cut form (Goldsmith's score-my personal favorite; the feeling that you really are in space, especially the subliminal low rumble on the soundtrack-which you only got in a Dolby equipped theater; Kirk and Scotty flying to the Enterprise, which made a lot of critics blood boil, but for me this was Shatner's moment: the shots of him looking at HIS ship along with Jerry's music are just sublime, especially when you have to keep remembering that Shatner really wasn't looking at ANYTHING-just following Wise's direction; and the magnificent V'ger miniature work) and it's even better in the DVD version, which flows nicely. Wise was kind enough to sign my 1-sheet (destroyed in an earthquake-dammit) without any hint of gruffness when I asked him about it and I told him about my admiration for the Kirk/Enterprise scene. He smiled and thanked me for being one of the few to "get it."

3) STIV-A vastly entertaining film, nicely shot and the fact that they shot on location extensively gave the series some air. I'd forgotten how claustrophobic III had been until I saw this. I'll never forget opening night at the Cinerama Dome when the dedication to the Challenger crew faded in-huge applause and some standing, as well. My only quibble-Rosenmann's main theme sounds TOO MUCH like is LORD OF THE RINGS march for my taste. Even Catherine Hicks final line is easier to take for me than that.

4) STVI-a fitting finale to the original cast, and Nicholas Meyer's casting of David Warner was his way of saying "let me cast you in a "good" ST movie after the debacle of V (see below). I thought Catrell was merely OK, but Plummer was one of the best villains in a long time.

5) STNG-FIRST CONTACT-the best of this cast, genuinely gruesome in some scenes (the Borg stuff is really frightening in a lot of their scenes) and the pacing keeps the different plot threads from feeling unequal, which is not easy. How many times do you see a movie with more than one plot thread going, and there usually is one that you wish they would just resolve or stay away from because other parts are much better (oh, maybe AT WORLD'S END, which could have used a plotline you wanted to stay with). Plus, Patrick Stewart could probably kick Shatner's ass-he looks quite buff during the final showdown.

6) STIII-claustrophobic-yes; moving-yes. It was nice to see a SF/Fantasy film that also had characters admitting how they felt about each other with real power (the death of Kirk's son has amazing work by Shatner with terrific direction by Nimoy-I love the shot where you just see Shatner's arm reaching out to Kelley after he breaks down-nicely done). I just wish that there had been a CU shot of Doohan's face as the Enterprise disintegrates in the atmosphere-that is his baby dying and that shot would have been devastating and might have lifted this film up a notch or two.

7) STNG-GENERATIONS-not the teaming up we were hoping for (really, could it have met the expectations?) but it had its moments-the crash of the saucer segment, the opening loss of Kirk, Picard's loss of his nephew. Expectations were high and many were disappointed, but I went expecting a good yarn and did not feel cheated. I never got into ST-TNG, but the films (for the most part) have at least been pleasant diversions, and Stewart gives the series weight (and Marina Sertis-oooh!).

8) STNG-INSURRECTION-not a bad little film, but the settlement scenes look like they were shot at a SoCal shopping mall. Interesting analogy with the settlers in the Americas and the natives.

9) STNG-NEMESIS-I just didn't care that much, and the idea of Picard having an illegitimate son smacked a little of Kirk/David, but at least they made him malevolent, but whole thing with Data was an outright-and not that creative-steal.

and last (and certainly least):

10) STV: Where to begin-making Scotty a slapstick gag (the scene where he knocks himself out hitting a roof support was stupid to say the least-this man doesn't know every nook and cranny of his ship? Give me a break!); Ohura's dance (Nicholls is talented, but where did she get the props?); Spock as comic sidekick (the opening with Kirk is embarrassing); the opening sequence with Sybot is-to put it mildly-stupid; and the voyage to the center of whatever-it-is is over so quickly you wonder why no one else has done it already. I did like the attempt to use some handheld work and Goldsmith's score was more worthy than the movie. I went with a close friend (and passionate Trekker) opening night at the Hollywood Paramount (now the El Capitan) and his mouth was hanging open at various points. To this day he refuses to discuss the film, and we both will not have the film in our DVD collections.

OK-that's done.

b) 1982 was a great year with movies, as was the following year. I still have wonderful memories of seeing ET at the nationwide sneak with DEAD MAN DON'T WEAR PLAID (ah, the days before advance tickets). The audience was a bit rowdy before the film but in tears at the end and on their feet with applause. THE RIGHT STUFF was my favorite film for 1983 (still can't believe TERMS OF ENDEARMENT won; Nicholson's good and so are Winger and Daniels, but the goosebumps at the end of RS are earned, IMHO), and even though Jerry lost the score award to Conti, who really won for his end theme since so much of the music is from other sources, UNDER FIRE has lived on to become of the best scores from the 80s.

c) I still remember waking up to see the news on TV about the TZ accident. "Entertainment Tonight" went from being just a glorified press kit to being a major player because of what happened (for a while, at least). I just remember feeling incredibly sad because it been so long for Vic Morrow to be in something with wide audience appeal (I think BAD NEWS BEARS was his last big film before this) and for the families of those two kids. How could a company like Warner Bros. authorize something like this and not take some responsibility? I also remember both Don Ameche and Ralph Bellamy defending Landis and being character witnesses at the trial (which I think he repaid by giving their characters from TRADING PLACES cameos in COMING TO AMERICA). Eddie Murphy had such a disagreeable experience with Landis on CTA that he later said that Vic Morrow had a better chance of working with Landis again than he did-he later worked with Landis again on BEVERLY HILLS COP III-so much for bad memories.

A friend who worked at AMPAS volunteered as a security guard when the TZ jury was shown the footage shot that night. Acccording to him (he was able to peer in and watch some of the footage), the film was shown without an aperture in the projector gate so that the whole image would be seen (a defense request) and they showed ALL the film. He said that there was footage-albeit and thankfully, not terribly close-of the actual deaths which really shook him up. I'm surprised that some disreputable creature has not gotten ahold of this stuff to post on the web, unless it was destroyed-I hope.

I really don't think I ever need to see this film again. The Miller sequence is the best thing about it, along with Jerry's score, and the Landis section leaves a sour taste in your mouth, not to mention that it is just plain badly written, to boot.

David, I do have question. One former friend of mne swears that he was told that Spielberg was on the set that night and that when he saw what happened he leaped into his car and told the driver to get him out of there and that "I was never there." Knowing this former friend (who's never been a Spielberg fan) the way I do this just sounds like crap, but did anyone else ever mention this rumor? It just doesn't sound like a shoot that he would feel the need to go to, but stranger things have happened.
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#56 Post by DavidBanner »

Two responses to Jedbu:

1. Star Trek II was never intended to be a TV movie. It was always going to be a theatrical release, but in an effort to keep the costs down after what happened on TMP, Paramount funded it through the TV movie division. Roddenberry, by the way, felt this was an additional affront, after having been displaced by Harve Bennett, who he had earlier history with going back to the pilot of "The Long Hunt of April Savage". (This story is told in Bob Justman and Herb Solow's excellent book "Inside Star Trek", which is the only book that details the original series (and elements of TNG) from the perspective of the production team. I should also note that TMP actually WAS initially a TV movie, as it would have been a 2 hour premiere for the second Star Trek series had Paramount launched its network in the 70's rather than the 90's. In that incarnation, it would have been directed by Robert Collins, who had already done a bunch of preproduction work before Paramount switched gears upon the release of "Star Wars".

2. Regarding the Twilight Zone incident, there actually is one piece of footage that was actually aired on cable back in the very late 1980's. It shows the crash of the helicopter, but thankfully nothing of the victims. If anything, it shows just how fast the crash happened - literally within a second. As for Spielberg being on the set, there were a lot of rumors at the time about him being there. Nobody has ever been able to confirm or deny this, and to be honest, it wouldn't be very relevant today. It is possible he visited the set, but didn't know about the kids. Either way, he was a listed producer on the movie, as was Frank Marshall. Marshall's behavior during the investigation was a bit squirelly - as I noted, he ducked a subpoena and headed off to Sri Lanka at a key moment. But even Marshall wasn't directly involved in the situation. The only thing that either Marshall or Spielberg could have told investigators was whether they were aware that Landis was working the children illegally. We still don't know the answer to that one - but Spielberg's subsequent distancing of himself from Landis should tell you what he thought of the situation. Further, Spielberg's production team went out of their way to rigorously follow child labor laws as he filmed his segment - filming on a stage under controlled conditions, resting the children, and only working the children the permitted time during daylight hours.

I don't know that it was ever shown that Warner Brothers explicitly authorized Landis and his production team to use the children in this fashion. It is more the case that Landis simply did it, and WB spent the next months and years playing catch-up along with everyone else.

It is important to remember that during COMING TO AMERICA, John Landis and Eddie Murphy had pretty much exchanged power positions since TRADING PLACES. During TRADING PLACES, Landis was at the peak of his power in Hollywood. The TWILIGHT ZONE incident was still in the early stages of investigation and he was still on the A list of major comedy directors. At that time, Eddie Murphy was still an upcoming performer from SNL, and an unproven one for Paramount. (Paramount apparently objected to the casting of Murphy in both 48 HRS and TRADING PLACES) So Landis lorded it all over Murphy during the 1982-3 shoot. Flash-foward five years later. At this point Eddie Murphy has become the hottest actor in Hollywood, with a growing ego to compliment the growing paychecks. Landis, on the other hand, was just coming off a crippling criminal trial in which he was repeatedly attacked and publicly shamed. This experience rattled him - I don't think he was faking his tears in the courtroom. And Landis had become synonymous with irresponsible filmmaking. His phone wasn't ringing off the hook with major offers. At that time, Murphy was handed Art Buchwald's story proposal by Paramount. (Murphy didn't know where it came from, and likely didn't care - he just took the idea and ran with it.) Murphy wrote a few pages and then brought in his old writing team from SNL to actually write the script. As the film was being made under Murphy's production deal, and under the banner of his production company, he was the de facto producer of COMING TO AMERICA. For his own reasons, he chose Landis to direct the movie. Landis initially tried to act the way he had on the old TRADING PLACES set but Murphy was having none of it. He publicly rebuked Landis and effectively reversed their roles from the earlier film.

As for COP 3, boy was that a bad movie. I'll say it again - BOY, was that a BAD MOVIE. At that point, both Murphy and Landis' careers were not doing especially well. Murphy was trying anything to stay on top with mixed results, mostly far short of his heyday 10 years earlier. Landis was still floundering. The two of them didn't do well with each other or anyone else with COP 3. Murphy has since pretty much disavowed the movie.

If your friend was working security when the footage was shown to the jury, he was not likely to have actually seen it. He would have been outside keeping unauthorized people OUT.

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#57 Post by Paul MacLean »

Why didn't Warners Bros. and Spielberg simply pull the plug on the film after the helicopter crash?

Did they really expect it to be a hit, even with the scandal surrounding the film? Did they really expect audiences would enjoy watching scene-after-scene of people trying to kill Vic Morrow's character, when the actor was himself killed making the film? :?

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Since Landis' sequence was the first to be filmed, WB should have done one of two things: either drop the Landis sequence entirely or have someone contribute something else. Considering that his part was the shortest in the film-which I think ran just about 100 minutes-they could have left his section out and just kept the Spielberg, Dante and Miller sequences and probably not had as much of a shadow hanging over the film. I remember footage of Landis at Morrow's funeral (what cojones it took for him to show up, let alone speak) in which he praised the actor and told of how much Morrow appreciated getting the part since he hadn't had a major feature part in years. I think Landis left the sequence in because (in his own mind) he felt that leaving it out would have been detremental to Morrow's memory. Personally, I feel the opposite is true. :(

I remember seeing the film when it was released and the whole Landis sequence left me squirming. Even though I knew the part with the tragedy did not make it in, in the back of my mind I kept thinking about it and it was really hard for me to watch Morrow knowing what happened. :oops: Spielberg's section was a bit too saccharine for me; I actually liked the Dante part although the ending blew; and Miller's was a nice exercise in technique-really. The best thing about the film is Goldsmith's score (especially for Miller's part) and I still like Jennifer Warnes' song, even if you barely hear it in the film itself.

I talked to my friend again last night and he corrected me-he was originally working the door, then he was relieved and was allowed in the projection booth, which he told me was filled with security, lawyers and guild members. Since he and the projectionist on duty were related, he was allowed to stay.
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#59 Post by DavidBanner »

I agree with Jedbu's comment that WB could have done some constructive things to deal with the problem with the Landis segment. I believe that WB's choice was to make the best out of the situation and release the film in as complete a version as possible. I believe that both WB and Landis wanted to include Morrow's work as it was his last work on film, and because they thought of the disaster as having been an unfortunate industrial accident rather than a matter of negligent homicide.

Jedbu is correct to note that Landis made appearances at the funerals of Morrow and both of the children. He had to be assisted into the churches, and his speech at Morrow's funeral was considered shameful by pretty much everyone involved. He did mention Morrow talking to him just before the crash and expressing his gratitude for being in the movie, and then made the shocking statement that "Vic lives forever" in the footage. Landis' version of Morrow's statements on the night of his death did not include the other statements heard on the set - that he was nervous about the working conditions and did not feel safe. Further, he and the other people involved were loudly upset about an earlier version of the fatal setup - where the helicopter and the explosions were too close together and the danger was noted. Part of the problem with Landis' defense at trial is that since they had the earlier warning with the shot that almost killed everyone, they should have shut down at that moment and found another way to do it.

Jedbu is not the only one who had problems trying to watch the film without constantly thinking about what happened to Morrow and the kids. I agree with his evaluation of the film itself, although I'm not a huge fan of the song - I just never really gave it any thought.

If your friend was in the projection booth, then he would certainly have seen the 8 different angles. I always found it interesting that the jury came up with the verdict that they did, in spite of what they had seen in the footage. But that's the magic of good trial attorneys and expert witnesses - they convinced the jury they hadn't seen the crash with expert eyes enough to know what had really happened.

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#60 Post by AndyDursin »

For his own reasons, he chose Landis to direct the movie. Landis initially tried to act the way he had on the old TRADING PLACES set but Murphy was having none of it. He publicly rebuked Landis and effectively reversed their roles from the earlier film.
Certainly didn't result in a better movie though...I think it shows Murphy being a diva at the same time it illustrates how much (or little) power/control Landis had at that point.

Looking at COMING TO AMERICA now, the movie feels like a vanity project for Murphy, with none of the balance that TRADING PLACES had. Landis obviously has great affection for TRADING PLACES in the new DVD featurettes, and basically glosses over Murphy altogether in the COMING TO AMERICA extras.

I'm sure Landis was out of control, but by 1988, and judging from his choice of projects and reputation, I'd say Murphy was well on his way to tarnishing his own image too.
As for COP 3, boy was that a bad movie. I'll say it again - BOY, was that a BAD MOVIE. At that point, both Murphy and Landis' careers were not doing especially well. Murphy was trying anything to stay on top with mixed results, mostly far short of his heyday 10 years earlier. Landis was still floundering. The two of them didn't do well with each other or anyone else with COP 3. Murphy has since pretty much disavowed the movie.
Murphy disavowed only thatmovie? That's hilarious, coming from the star of PLUTO NASH, HARLEM NIGHTS, METRO, HOLY MAN, BOOMERANG, THE KLUMPS, I SPY, ANOTHER 48 HOURS, and of course NORBIT, hands down one of the worst films of our generation.

I actually enjoyed COP III for the most part, and at the least it's a far better movie than NORBIT, with a few amusing cameos. I also wish Nile Rodgers' AXEL F theme got a release somewhere (there's more orchestra in the film than on the album recording).

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