RDJ back in the MCU...as Doctor Doom?!

[Monterey Jack]

"I've won my Oscar, now, back to whoring myself out again for another decade!"

[AndyDursin]

Absolutely pathetic. Shows how desperate Disney is and also Downey who after junk like Dolittle has an open slate now and is trying to fill up his dance card with more millions. But if he's in the mask it's possible it's not even him walking around so the money might be even easier than we think.

I seriously can't think of another instance like this. Maybe Disney got the idea from having Chris Evans come back as Human Torch but this is a good guy to bad guy thing and it's weird.

Having a guy establish himself as THE signature hero in this series then come back as a bad guy IN THE VERY NEXT AVENGERS SEQUEL cheapens what he's established. Not to mention reeks of desperation on both sides.

[AndyDursin]

Nerdgasm

But it's actually pretty sad.

[Monterey Jack]

Having a guy establish himself as THE signature hero in this series then come back as a bad guy IN THE VERY NEXT AVENGERS SEQUEL cheapens what he's established. Not to mention reeks of desperation on both sides.

It's literally the scene where Deadpool digs up Logan's dessicated corpse and uses his Adamantium bones as weapons to kill a bunch of people. That's the level of respect this casting has.

I honestly think I'm done.

[AndyDursin]

They're not getting my money. And really it makes Downey look like a real whore. He can't stay away from Disney's cash and is willing to do anything. They're desperate to give credibility to fading franchises so he becomes the big headliner to an Avengers team of B grade heroes and C grade stars.

I think the Fantastic Four casting is just bad. Pascal is really not the first choice a fan would have for that part but I can see him maybe working out. But Vanessa Kirby I just am not into at all. She's more creepy than sexy and is kind of odd looking.

[Monterey Jack]

I think the Fantastic Four casting is just bad. Pascal is really not the first choice a fan would have for that part but I can see him maybe working out. But Vanessa Kirby I just am not into at all. She's more creepy than sexy and is kind of odd looking.

I think Kirby is stunning, but Sue Storm should be more of a bubbly, girl-next door, just-out-of-her-teens type, a female equivalent of Chris Evans in the 2000s FF movies (which sucked, but he was the only member of the ensemble who really understood the assignment and wasn't horribly miscast). Hell, if she weren't too old, someone like a less-snotty Maggie Grace (circa the first season of Lost) would have been good. Pascal is awful casting, smacking of the same genre recycling that's infected too much geek cinema since the early 2000s (remember when Hugo Weaving was in EVERYTHING? ). Likeable actor, but he's been shoved in our faces non-stop for the last decade, like Colin Farrell was a decade earlier (and at least Farrell was a fountain of charisma back then).

[AndyDursin]

Yeah I'm not into Kirby at all. Those glossy eyes and also her personality is all wrong for that part.

The thing that gets me is look how many of these new Marvel movies are all team/team up films...Thunderbolts, Avengers, Fantastic Four. X-Men coming too. Captain America is jammed with other characters. And they're all piled on top of each other. I'm surprised The Defenders, which was sort of a poor man's Avengers, hasn't been tapped yet by Disney (sure it will be at some point)

The super hero movies with individual characters and presumably more human driven stories than these "apocalypse tonight!" efforts have fallen by the wayside. Really ever since Disney decided to make Captain America Civil War a defacto Avengers movie, it's never been the same.

[Monterey Jack]

"Gimme ten CCs of RDJ, stat...!"

[Monterey Jack]

The super hero movies with individual characters and presumably more human driven stories than these "apocalypse tonight!" efforts have fallen by the wayside. Really ever since Disney decided to make Captain America Civil War a defacto Avengers movie, it's never been the same.

A simple, meat & potatoes superhero movie like Darkman, The Crow or The Rocketeer would not be made today...or if they were, they'd be choked with fanservice cameos, callbacks and Easter Eggs, and the ostensible title character would barely have anything to do.



As for me, everything up through Endgame is more than enough for me (well, and Guardians Of The Galaxy 3). The MCU had a finite story to tell, told it, and is now spinning its wheels madly attempting to escape a morass of mediocrity and audience apathy. Imagine if Lost were still on the air today, trying to keep audience interest.

[AndyDursin]

I rewatched Infinity War and Engame coincidentally over the last couple of weeks because Theo wanted to see them. I actually was not as impressed with Endgame as a lot of other people and I still felt it was fine but not a lot more. It's certainly better than the lame Ultron movie but these big ensemble team-up movies are really tiresome. They're SO formula, the interplay between the characters always has the regulation amount of quips and banter.

The Marvel films especially all end EXACTLY the same way -- comic books were never ALWAYS about the end of the world but somehow these Marvel movies always end up there. Some big boring creature nobody cares about or an alien or whatever they are running around...it's just so consistently formula. Never takes a chance. At least a few of the DC movies have felt more like real comic books with arcs that aren't about the end of the world necessarily (the Nolan Batman movies especially) but focus on a character and their biggest trials...why Marvel won't go there is pretty much because Disney eyes global revenue and these big, stupid, endless cartoons (which is really what they are) are what sells to foreign markets.

And Disney has not hired big stars in most of these films -- either that or the villain is always boring. Downey is really the first BIG star they've brought in as a villain in a while-- and I don't blame them for casting a big star but HIM? It'd be like Christopher Reeve playing The Joker!

[Monterey Jack]

And Disney has not hired big stars in most of these films -- either that or the villain is always boring. Downey is really the first BIG star they've brought in as a villain in a while-- and I don't blame them for casting a big star but HIM? It'd be like Christopher Reeve playing The Joker!

Be like casting Daniel Craig as the villain in the next James Bond movie (wait, he almost tanked the franchise, so maybe ideal casting! ).

[AndyDursin]

Another horrendous Disney subtitle.

Giacchino just going to ape his INCREDIBLES score with this "retro setting" I'd imagine too.

[AndyDursin]

Downey making $100 million over a lengthy multi-movie contract is the only way this makes sense.

[AndyDursin]

Seriously -- why does he need all this money? And why does he want to keep making this crap?

He's got all this cash he can do whatever he wants with -- and he wants a "trailer encampment" so he can make more of this trash?

I've lost as much respect for him as Disney allowing him to basically put this project together it sounds like (the Russos got hired because of him).

For Downey, who helped catapult Marvel into a money-printing machine thanks to his turn as Tony Stark in the first “Iron Man” film in 2008, his deal also is filled with perks that include private jet travel, dedicated security and a whole “trailer encampment” for the newly minted Oscar winner. (Downey took home this year’s best supporting actor honors for his role in “Oppenheimer.”)

According to one knowledgeable source, Downey is by far the highest-paid member of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and has pulled down between $500 million and $600 million over the course of four “Avengers” movies, three “Iron Man” outings and cameos in “The Incredible Hulk,” “Captain America: Civil War” and “Spider-Man: Homecoming.”

Sources say Downey, who is repped by WME, agreed to return to the MCU if the Russos, who are CAA clients, would be directing. “They were the only ones he would work with,” says a source familiar with the dealmaking.

[Monterey Jack]

Seriously -- why does he need all this money? And why does he want to keep making this crap?

He's got all this cash he can do whatever he wants with -- and he wants a "trailer encampment" so he can make more of this trash?

"The future, Mister Dursin! The future...!"