Horrible lighting in modern-day movies

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Horrible lighting in modern-day movies

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In the last three months, I've seen three horror movies (Wolf Man, Heart Eyes and this weekend's Hell Of A Summer) with nighttime scenes lit so dankly, I felt like I was listening to radio plays more than I was watching movies. :? And it's not endemic to horror cinema, either...it seems like EVERY movie is full of blown-out backlighting combined with a minimum of "rim lighting", resulting in scene after scene of actors who are barely discernible from the backgrounds. I don't know if it's the passover from film to digital, or what, but it's an absolute blight. Wicked cost $150 million, and it looked like watching a movie with the 3D filter left over the lens in the theater, Meanwhile, three decades ago, nighttime scenes were lit like this:



Hey, look, each actor is clearly outlined against the background! :shock: And I know some people will blame it on the theater for having low-wattage bulbs, or the settings on your TV at home not being calibrated properly, but it's like cinematographers have just plain forgotten how to illuminate actors in dark settings so the audience can actually make out what's going on. The Obi-Wan series on D+ was so badly lit that whole scenes looked like pools of inky blackness with lightsabers bobbing around in them. People used to crack jokes about the great cinematographer Gordon Willis being "The Prince of Darkness", but he always allowed you to know what you were look at, even if an actor's eyes were hidden in deep pools of shadow, like in The Godfather.

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One of the viewer comments about this video is also very revealing...

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I've been a cinematographer for over 30 years now and many films are being destroyed in post by the lack of experience as an editor or colorist. In all honestly, it could be a number of reasons why a film is bad looking. In no way shape or form am I blaming a professional editor or colorist. These are just a couple experiences I've had on projects. For example...cinematographers are being cut out of the post/coloring process for a few different reasons. Production doesn't want to spend the money on a cinematographer to sit in the coloring suite. And no I'm not in the coloring suite to be looking over the colorists shoulder 24/7. I'm there to collaborate with them. Productions will hire me and tell me to make their films look beautiful when it comes to the image. I spend a lot of time coming up with a color palette and many conversations with my gaffer all for no reason. I now have in my contract that for film projects (Indie/Feature Films) that you must either hire me to be in the color suite or hire me as your colorist. I think more cinematographers need to protect their work/images. No one is going to hire you after watching a film that you shot that looks bad. I want my films to look the best they can! In the end, it's all about people working together and being able to collaborate and make the best film possible.

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The video above might be onto something with the whole fact that so many films are shot anymore against a green screen, rather than against actual backdrops, but truthfully, I think that digital itself is the main culprit. The first films ever released on digital were in 1999, and it completely took over the industry by 2012/2013. Even the "good" digital depicted in that video still looks a bit flat to me, they simply need actual film to make it look good.

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If there's any one field beyond film scoring that's gone to bleep in the 21st century it's the art of cinematography. Whether it's because of the bland, texture-less nature of digital photography; the lack of actual ARTISTS working in this field (it doesn't take much imagination to sit in a cubicle really and come up with a climax in Marvel movie); or the use of green screen, it's just incredibly depressing.

It's just one reason why you go back and rewatch movies from decades ago in high definition and 4K, it can be mind blowing at times because cinematography that might not have been deemed anything remarkable THEN comes off as being artful and gorgeous because nothing looks like it today. Literally nothing.

As far as WOLFMAN goes, it doesn't even have the excuse of green screen. Beyond being one of the worst movies I've watched theatrically in years, the dim, flat cinematography and visual appearance of the entire movie was in concert with how utterly depressing it was.

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AndyDursin wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 9:41 am It's just one reason why you go back and rewatch movies from decades ago in high definition and 4K, it can be mind blowing at times because cinematography that might not have been deemed anything remarkable THEN comes off as being artful and gorgeous because nothing looks like it today. Literally nothing.
Watching Kindergarten Cop, of all things, last year on Kino's great 4K release struck me. What was dismissed as a silly, throwaway Schwarzenegger comedy 35 years ago looks GORGEOUS by today's standards (shot by Michael Chapman, the DP of Taxi Driver and Raging Bull! :shock: ). Nowadays a $250 million movie like Wicked has imagery that's diffused, dim and anemic looking, even in scenes shot "outdoors" (as outdoors as a greenscreen-heavy movie can be) and in full daylight. :?

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TaranofPrydain wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 12:59 am The video above might be onto something with the whole fact that so many films are shot anymore against a green screen, rather than against actual backdrops, but truthfully, I think that digital itself is the main culprit. The first films ever released on digital were in 1999, and it completely took over the industry by 2012/2013. Even the "good" digital depicted in that video still looks a bit flat to me, they simply need actual film to make it look good.
Digital's come a long way since then. Bland lighting makes green screen compositing simpler, but that's the easy way out. If one if willing to take the pains, digital can give you stellar results.

I wasn't a huge fan of The Creator but it looked terrific...



And it was shot on a $3000 Sony FX3...

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