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#46 Post by AndyDursin »

It's like those critics who think all John Williams can write is music for Star Wars and Indy, but they've never listened to Seven Years in Tibet or Angela's Ashes.
thanks for the post Tom, I understand what you are saying. I just don't find his music that appealing, and frankly, I've heard enough of his other TV scores and film soundtracks to the point where I stand by what I wrote about his music. The string-heavy approach is leaden to me, as a listener, and while I have seen every episode of LOST and recognize that it's a unique element to the show, I grow tired of hearing the same themes repeated over and over every week, incessantly whenever something "emotional" is happening. In fact at times I find it comical to get those string "stabs" on cue whenever a major plot point is occurring.

I don't hate Giacchino, but I do find what I dislike about his music to be similar to how I feel about a lot of other current composers...guys like Brian Tyler and so on. They have the technical "tools" but they don't have the inherent talent to write a piece of music on the level of any of the "old school" composers you mentioned before.

Like anything else, if you like his music, great. I don't. Just different strokes for different folks.

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#47 Post by Eric W. »

AndyDursin wrote:
It's like those critics who think all John Williams can write is music for Star Wars and Indy, but they've never listened to Seven Years in Tibet or Angela's Ashes.
thanks for the post Tom, I understand what you are saying. I just don't find his music that appealing, and frankly, I've heard enough of his other TV scores and film soundtracks to the point where I stand by what I wrote about his music. The string-heavy approach is leaden to me, as a listener, and while I have seen every episode of LOST and recognize that it's a unique element to the show, I grow tired of hearing the same themes repeated over and over every week, incessantly whenever something "emotional" is happening. In fact at times I find it comical to get those string "stabs" on cue whenever a major plot point is occurring.

I don't hate Giacchino, but I do find what I dislike about his music to be similar to how I feel about a lot of other current composers...guys like Brian Tyler and so on. They have the technical "tools" but they don't have the inherent talent to write a piece of music on the level of any of the "old school" composers you mentioned before.

Like anything else, if you like his music, great. I don't. Just different strokes for different folks.

I fee like he's another guy that I'm waiting to see "turn that corner" and fully ascend. It can happen. I won't rule it out. :)

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#48 Post by TomServo »

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, Eric! I did not realize you were so steeped in Giacchino's music, so I apologize if my post came off assuming the opposite.

I think part of my philosophy with today's crop of film/TV composers is "You take what you can get". I started listening to classical music when I was 4 years old and even once the passion for the orchestra moved into film music, I found that I gravitated towards those composers whose personality I could really feel through their music. Obviously it does not occur very often in these times, especially since all those film composers, like Goldsmith, Barry and Herrmann, who imbued their compositions with their own unique backgrounds, training and personalities are either deceased or retired. I unexpectedly caught something in Giacchino's music, perhaps not as distinct as those aforementioned composers, but there was a kernel of individual expression and personality and so I've remained an intrigued listener of his since then.

"The Incredibles" should have been a John Barry film, no doubt about it. Even Giacchino would attest to that. I have met him on several occasions and found that he is such a humble, genuine, creative and intelligent person that perhaps it has helped me bond to his music a bit more, especially knowing that I didn't need to meet Jerry to feel completely bonded to his scores!

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#49 Post by AndyDursin »

I fee like he's another guy that I'm waiting to see "turn that corner" and fully ascend. It can happen. I won't rule it out.
Well, if he can't do it on a movie like STAR TREK, then it's never going to happen.

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#50 Post by Eric W. »

AndyDursin wrote:
I fee like he's another guy that I'm waiting to see "turn that corner" and fully ascend. It can happen. I won't rule it out.
Well, if he can't do it on a movie like STAR TREK, then it's never going to happen, IMO.
Definitely some fairly dismal odds unfortunately.

I'd say the same for any composer. If you can't max it out,bust it out and go all out on a project like this then yeah, you probably never will.

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#51 Post by Eric W. »

TomServo wrote:Thanks for the thoughtful reply, Eric! I did not realize you were so steeped in Giacchino's music, so I apologize if my post came off assuming the opposite.
Not at all. :)



I think part of my philosophy with today's crop of film/TV composers is "You take what you can get". I started listening to classical music when I was 4 years old and even once the passion for the orchestra moved into film music, I found that I gravitated towards those composers whose personality I could really feel through their music.
More or less the same here. :)
Obviously it does not occur very often in these times, especially since all those film composers, like Goldsmith, Barry and Herrmann, who imbued their compositions with their own unique backgrounds, training and personalities are either deceased or retired.

I unexpectedly caught something in Giacchino's music, perhaps not as distinct as those aforementioned composers, but there was a kernel of individual expression and personality and so I've remained an intrigued listener of his since then.
I felt the same way back when he brought out those Medal of Honor game scores. Sure, he was broadly winking at Williams but there were things going on in there where I was really excited to see where it was going to take him.

You can see in my previous post that I'm kind of letdown with him to a point but I certainly don't think he's the worst thing walking the Earth, either. ;)

He's middle of the road for me right now. I've heard some "kernels" myself across a good number of his works but I'm still waiting for those "kernels" to fully bloom.



"The Incredibles" should have been a John Barry film, no doubt about it. Even Giacchino would attest to that. I have met him on several occasions and found that he is such a humble, genuine, creative and intelligent person that perhaps it has helped me bond to his music a bit more, especially knowing that I didn't need to meet Jerry to feel completely bonded to his scores!
Oh yeah, he's a great guy! I've never met him but his reputation is far and away as you describe here.

No way I'm accusing him of trying to outright steal from Barry or anyone else.

I try to use neutral terms like "channel" and such but I definitely don't want anyone to think I'm accusing MG of anything like that!

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#52 Post by Paul MacLean »

There's a new Michael Giacchino website, with a lot of clips of his music. I'm not sure if its composer-endorsed or not, but the clips give some more insight into his style...

www.MichaelGiacchinoMusic.com

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#53 Post by John Johnson »

Pegg: Trek premiere 'is geek dream'

Simon Pegg has hailed the UK premiere of Star Trek as a "geek dream come true".
Pegg, who donned a kilt for the event in London's Leicester Square, is one of the stars of the movie.

He said: "For me, tonight is very special. It's the Empire Leicester Square. I saw films here as a child... it's a geek dream come true."

The new movie features a young new crew venturing boldly where no one has gone before.

A blue carpet, smoke machines and fans wearing Spock ears added to the space-like effect at the premiere.

Pegg admitted the weight of the past was on the new characters a little bit, but said he had played his own version of his role.

He said: "I love the Star Trek fan base. They are world leaders in positivity."

Pegg said it was not silly to dress up and insisted: "It's brilliant. Anyone who looks down on it is cynical."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090420/te ... 8abb3.html
London. Greatest City in the world.

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#54 Post by Eric W. »

http://www.cracked.com/blog/star-trek-movie-leaks/

Amusing. Some light spoilers but nothing that probably isn't generally known at this point.

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#55 Post by TomServo »

In case anyone is curious, Dan Goldwasser has posted pictures from the scoring sessions over at his site, www.scoringsessions.com. Check 'em out, they are most excellent! :)

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#56 Post by Eric W. »

TomServo wrote:In case anyone is curious, Dan Goldwasser has posted pictures from the scoring sessions over at his site, www.scoringsessions.com. Check 'em out, they are most excellent! :)
I really am interested to hear more of this score. I certainly can't say they went small time here with that setup.

Incidentally, I think this is the second time now that I've seen Timothy Olyphant get a chance to conduct for fun. The first time I think I saw it was during the behind the scenes of that Hitman film he was in.

Olyphant isn't in this movie uncredited or anything is he? He'd be good in Star Trek.

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#57 Post by TomServo »

No, not that I know of, but I do know that he and Giacchino have been good friends for a long time and he will often show up at his scoring sessions... I like everyone's "old school" Trek tunics.

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#58 Post by AndyDursin »

The British press love it. Of course it's the perfect compliment to the "optimism of the Obama administration" (words used in one of the reviews) -- the same review compared NEMESIS to the "gloomiess of George Bush's post 9/11 America." Yeah, whatever....I see optimism all over the place here now! lol.

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#59 Post by Eric W. »

AndyDursin wrote:The British press love it. Of course it's the perfect compliment to the "optimism of the Obama administration" (words used in one of the reviews) -- the same review compared NEMESIS to the "gloomiess of George Bush's post 9/11 America." Yeah, whatever....I see optimism all over the place here now! lol.
Yeah, we're all doing cartwheels in the streets with all this "hope and change we can believe in", I tell ya.

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#60 Post by Eric Paddon »

England is clearly no longer a place of tea parties to write reviews like that! :)

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